* Nicholas Dal Porto [2017-03-07 15:31 -0800]:
> Here's a photo of the pertinent section: http://i.imgur.com/hHZyDfg.jpg
Want you run a raid6 on a Powerbook? Seems to be impossible!
Elimar
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Hi,
On 03/08/17 08:01, PhiLLip Pi wrote:
In my couple days old Debian Jessie/stable PowerPC on a very old 2002
15" Titanium PowerBook G4 with 512 MB of RAM, it came with Firefox v45.7
ESR but it is very slow and uses too much memories.
The browser panorama is becoming dim outisde x86/amd64...
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 10:01:03AM +0100, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> On 03/08/17 08:01, PhiLLip Pi wrote:
> > In my couple days old Debian Jessie/stable PowerPC on a very old 2002
> > 15" Titanium PowerBook G4 with 512 MB of RAM, it came with Firefox v45.7
> > ESR but it is very slow and
> > I find that seamonkey consumes less RAM - especially if you use it as your
> > email client instead of Firefox+Thunderbird. I like the old-style interface
> > also better.
>
> Ah, I use SM on my better machines but noticed it uses more RAM to me. I
> will try it in this old PB G4.
Where are
Hi all- there are some now.
Firefox 45 ESR, Firefox 51 and Ice Cat . for now on the BE the best are
are Firefox ESR and Firefox 47 (Ice Cat i only tested it on Fedora PPC64) .
This last two dont use EGL for video rendering it means you can play video with
right colors and without glithces.
on
hello ,
have the following problem:
yesterday i tried to install Debian Jessie on my Powermac G5 11,2 on a
second Harddrive (intel ssd) and it would install fine (i use guided
partition, all on the selected harddrive)
but when i start, it would not boot,
"please wait, loading kernel"...
/ht
On Tue, Mar 07, 2017 at 03:31:15PM -0800, Nicholas Dal Porto wrote:
> Here's a photo of the pertinent section: http://i.imgur.com/hHZyDfg.jpg
Various components and scripts load by the installer are crashing. This is
most likely due to a broken toolchain during build. It could be related
to PIE be
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 01:01:32PM +0100, Richard Kuenz wrote:
> "please wait, loading kernel"...
> /ht@0, f20/pci@9/.. unknow or corrupt filesystem
>
>
> i have to admit that i had already a linux on 2nd partition inside the first
> harddrive (WD HDD), but that Lubuntu got messed up
i don't know how to read yaboot.conf as it would stop at boot:
where when pressing TAB
it would show
Linux old
is this normal on New Jessie installation?
However, when i install Debian Wheezy, same method, guided partition on
SSD , it would install AND boot just fine.
So many proble
so, i did the same install, on 2nd ssd, guided partition, with wheezy
installer,
it boots
same installation jessie,
unknown or corrupt filesystem
On 08.03.2017 13:20, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 01:01:32PM +0100, Richard Kuenz wrote:
"please wait, loading ker
Hello Adrian,
problem is that i can't access yaboot.conf unless i go live as far as i
know because i am stuck at yaboot, so how should i do that with debian?
i would need to boot live a lubuntu image,
so i end up installing wheezy again and upgrading to jessie; seeing if
that works
On 08.03
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 01:30:26PM +0100, Richard Kuenz wrote:
> problem is that i can't access yaboot.conf unless i go live as far as i know
> because i am stuck at yaboot, so how should i do that with debian?
> i would need to boot live a lubuntu image,
You can just boot the Debian Installer int
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 01:32:49PM +0100, Richard Kuenz wrote:
> so, i did the same install, on 2nd ssd, guided partition, with wheezy
> installer,
>
> it boots
>
> same installation jessie,
>
> unknown or corrupt filesystem
Why are you providing the partition layout?
Again, we cannot debug thi
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 01:37:54PM +0100, Richard Kuenz wrote:
> However, when i install Debian Wheezy, same method, guided partition on SSD
> , it would install AND boot just fine.
If you don't want to debug the actual problem, why don't you just
upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie using APT? [1].
Adr
1st hdd,
part1 free
part2 hfs+ boot
part3 hfs# osx
part4 hfs swap
part5 free (used to be new world parititon, swap, ext2)
part6 free
2nd hdd
part new world boot
part2 ext2 i think root
part3 swap
On 08.03.2017 13:44, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 01:32:49PM +0100, Ric
yah, thats what i am doing right now, but there is a problem with
installer, i guess.
On 08.03.2017 13:48, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 01:37:54PM +0100, Richard Kuenz wrote:
However, when i install Debian Wheezy, same method, guided partition on SSD
, it would inst
Hi,
On 03/08/17 10:33, PhiLLip Pi wrote:
Where are you getting your SeaMonkey from? I don't see any in
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceape&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all
andhttps://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.46/ (no PPC
port).:(
I don't - I do run Firefox
i did the upgrade already tonight,
and for some reason,
after installing kernel 4.5 ...
sudo ybin -v
failed on me,
i found out that the yaboot.conf parameters for the ssd were totally
wrong, inconsitent
with the values in
/dev/disk/by-id/
after fixing that, it would boot, but then say, oups,
after upgrading to jessie,
it would boot, but fail to get to a proper desktop.
so i would press CTRL + AlT +F1
to get into terminal
there i would try to install Kernel by Peter Saisanas 4.5.x
as he posted earlier
copy the kernel image deb file to your hdd.
install the kernel using the com
On Tue, Mar 07, 2017 at 11:01:04PM -0800, PhiLLip Pi wrote:
> In my couple days old Debian Jessie/stable PowerPC on a very old 2002
> 15" Titanium PowerBook G4 with 512 MB of RAM, it came with Firefox v45.7
> ESR but it is very slow and uses too much memories.
>
> I wonder if there are faster Ge
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 09:38:36AM +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote:
> * Nicholas Dal Porto [2017-03-07 15:31 -0800]:
>
> > Here's a photo of the pertinent section: http://i.imgur.com/hHZyDfg.jpg
>
> Want you run a raid6 on a Powerbook? Seems to be impossible!
The kernel always prints that. Not
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 01:17:11PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 07, 2017 at 03:31:15PM -0800, Nicholas Dal Porto wrote:
> > Here's a photo of the pertinent section: http://i.imgur.com/hHZyDfg.jpg
>
> Various components and scripts load by the installer are crashing. This i
Source: babl
Version: 0.1.18-1
Severity: normal
Hi,
According to [0], optimisation upto SSE2 can be enabled on amd64.
Also, I'm not sure that altivec is officially supported on any of the
ppc ports, so I'm disabling it completely, I'm putting debian-powerpc ML
in copy.
See attached patch.
Rega
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 03:57:55PM +0100, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
> Also, I'm not sure that altivec is officially supported on any of the
> ppc ports, so I'm disabling it completely, I'm putting debian-powerpc ML
> in copy.
The firefox package is built with AltiVec enabled and so is mplayer,
for
Le 08/03/17 à 16:06, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz a écrit :
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 03:57:55PM +0100, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
Also, I'm not sure that altivec is officially supported on any of the
ppc ports, so I'm disabling it completely, I'm putting debian-powerpc ML
in copy.
The firefox packag
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 04:28:52PM +0100, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
> For the powerpc port, if G3 are still supposed to be supported, altivec
> should be disabled as they are not supporting it IIRC (longtime I didn't use
> a ppc machine).
Would it make much sense to run something like GIMP on a G3
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 04:06:17PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> The firefox package is built with AltiVec enabled and so is mplayer,
> for example. So, yes, Altivec is actively used and I would honestly
> refrain from disabling it in a performance-sensitive package like
> babl.
>
> Al
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 10:52:21AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> e5500 does not have it, which means one of the modern powerpc chips
> doesn't support it.
>
> Certainly the powerpc64 port claims e5500 support, and hence does NOT
> assume altivec support.
Right. But that was something that was
Hi,
Laurent Bigonville wrote:
For the powerpc port, if G3 are still supposed to be supported,
altivec should be disabled as they are not supporting it IIRC
(longtime I didn't use a ppc machine).
If you are telling me altivec is OK, I guess that the flag can be
removed and the situation can be
Στις 08-03-2017, ημέρα Τετ, και ώρα 16:55 +0100, ο/η John Paul Adrian
Glaubitz έγραψε:
> It should. But it has been like that for ages and no one has
> complained so far unlike with the ppc64 port. So I really think it
> should stay that way. Most PowerPC machines are already underpowered,
> so tak
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 06:23:26PM +0200, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:
> For many years, Altivec enablement has been debated in both ports
> (powerpc & ppc64). AFAIR, the consensus is that Altivec should be
> disabled by default and either enabled in a separate package (eg.
> atlas-altivec) or us
Στις 08-03-2017, ημέρα Τετ, και ώρα 17:34 +0100, ο/η John Paul Adrian
Glaubitz έγραψε:
> I'm not aware of any of such -altivec packages and stuff like atlas
> should be compiled from source on the target machine anyway for
> performance reasons.
That could be applied to many/most/all? packages, so
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On 03/08/2017 07:40 PM, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:
> That could be applied to many/most/all? packages, so why bother packaging
> them in the first place? Sorry, that's not a very good argument.
Actually, it is. ATLAS is one of these libraries w
Hi,
On 03/08/17 19:40, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:
Again I don't disagree there, but since it's not a release
architecture, we could just move on to newer CPUs and change the
minimum specs -which would IMHO be a good thing, as it would lower the
number of supported platforms to a much small
Hi,
On 03/07/17 13:11, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
For the 4.8 series instead:
4.8.0-rc8-powerpc #1 Debian 4.8~rc8-1~exp1 (2016-09-26)
4.8.0-1 Debian 4.8.5 -> broken
Since I saw no other 4.7 series, I can see that the breakage happened
already in the 4.8 series:, somewhere between:
linux-image-
Στις 08-03-2017, ημέρα Τετ, και ώρα 19:53 +0100, ο/η John Paul Adrian
Glaubitz έγραψε:
> Actually, it is. ATLAS is one of these libraries which contain lots
> of CPU optimization code and if you really want to use ATLAS for
> actual number crunching, you want to build it from source. It is
> very c
Στις 08-03-2017, ημέρα Τετ, και ώρα 20:08 +0100, ο/η Riccardo Mottola
έγραψε:
> Well, it is very sad we aren't release anymore, IMHO, although a
> fact.
> Yet i think it is wrong raising the bar and excluding many CPUs just
> because it makes things easier.
> powerpc was (and probably still is) a
Hi,
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:
> > There are also other non-Mac machines. E.g. I am pretty sure the
> > Linkbook doesn't have altivec and there were a couple of other
> > similar small netbooks which sadly did not get popular compared to
> > ARM.
>
> I do not disagree on
On 03/08/2017 09:45 PM, Karoly Balogh (Charlie/SGR) wrote:
> I'm pretty sure A-Eon, who are selling the AmigaOne X5000 based on an
> e5500 core, funds the work of some Linux people to keep Debian up to date
> for that system. And that's a pretty juicy multicore desktop machine, with
> PCIe slots, R
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 08:08:59PM +0100, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
> Well, it is very sad we aren't release anymore, IMHO, although a fact.
> Yet i think it is wrong raising the bar and excluding many CPUs just because
> it makes things easier.
> powerpc was (and probably still is) a quite popular d
On 03/08/2017 09:52 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> This is a current in production machine:
>
> http://www.amigaos.net/hardware/133/amigaone-x5000
>
> No altivec. Not an old CPU.
With the pricetag of a Macbook Pro Retina:
> http://amigaonthelake.com/amigaone-x5000-first-encounters-motherboard-b
Hi,
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> > I'm pretty sure A-Eon, who are selling the AmigaOne X5000 based on an
> > e5500 core, funds the work of some Linux people to keep Debian up to date
> > for that system. And that's a pretty juicy multicore desktop machine, with
> > PCIe
On 03/08/2017 10:16 PM, Karoly Balogh (Charlie/SGR) wrote:
> Right. Although the Tabor is not in production yet and never went on sale
> officially, because they're waiting for the AmigaOS4.1 developers to pull
> together some semi-working system for the machine. As it supposed to sell
> bundled...
Server? Workstation? Old school text stuff? Just curious. I am trying to
see what I can use my slow PowerBook G4 with 512 MB of RAM to do.
Thank you in advance. :)
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Hi,
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Interesting. I had heard that there will be a AmigaOS4 port but I wasn't
> aware that they were waiting for the port to be released. The boards itself
> are pretty nice though.
Yeah. I was quite tempted to get one, and replace my old Deb
Hi Konstantinos,
Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:
I do not disagree on those points, but it's all a matter of resources.
We do not have the resources of testing on all those platforms, and I
personally know of no Linux powerpc developer that works on a non-
altivec system -except for embedded whic
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> On Mar 8, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Lennart Sorensen
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 01:17:11PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>>> On Tue, Mar 07, 2017 at 03:31:15PM -0800, Nicholas Dal Porto wrote:
>>> Here's a photo of the pertinent section: http://i.imgur.com/h
On 09/03/17 04:19 AM, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
> On 03/07/17 13:11, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
>>
>> For the 4.8 series instead:
>>
>> 4.8.0-rc8-powerpc #1 Debian 4.8~rc8-1~exp1 (2016-09-26)
>> 4.8.0-1 Debian 4.8.5 -> broken
>>
>> Since I saw no other 4.7 series, I can see that the breakage happened
>>
On 09/03/17 10:34 AM, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> On 09/03/17 04:19 AM, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
>>
>> Did debian change something in the kernel between rc8 and -1 (patches,
>> config options) or did we uncover an upstream kernel bug?
>
> Can you provide the two /boot/config-4.8* files? If you attach th
im using my quad g5 is my everyday computer. turn on my i7 macbook only when i
need heavy video renders where the g5 will be 2.3x time slower.
same is for the x5000 but there altivec is not needed or better altivec
software make issue. yes there are many issue on ppc linux. endianess in the
gles
It was the RAM! Replaced it and it installed without a hitch. However, Wireless
isn't working. Anyone know a fix?
> On Mar 8, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Lennart Sorensen
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 01:17:11PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>>> On Tue, Mar 07, 2017 at 03:31:15PM -0800
depends on your chip. What does dmesg say?
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 11:28 PM, Nicholas Dal Porto
wrote:
> It was the RAM! Replaced it and it installed without a hitch. However,
> Wireless isn't working. Anyone know a fix?
>
> > On Mar 8, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Lennart Sorensen <
> lsore...@csclub.uwate
Include the output of "lspci -vvv" please.
Adrian
> On Mar 9, 2017, at 8:04 AM, Herminio Hernandez, Jr.
> wrote:
>
> depends on your chip. What does dmesg say?
>
>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 11:28 PM, Nicholas Dal Porto
>> wrote:
>> It was the RAM! Replaced it and it installed without a hitch.
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 10:53 PM, PhiLLip Pi wrote:
> Server? Workstation? Old school text stuff? Just curious. I am trying to
> see what I can use my slow PowerBook G4 with 512 MB of RAM to do.
I use my MacMiniG4 for:
- ssh server to outside (ppc32 is uncommon so it gives me impression
of improve
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