On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 20:52 -0600, Tommy Trussell wrote:
At this point, I would really need you guys to do some dichotomy to try
to isolate more precisely what kernel change introduced the problem.
That is if you confirm it's between 2.6.11 and 2.6.12, then test the
various -rcX and possible git/
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 01:54:51PM +1100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 20:52 -0600, Tommy Trussell wrote:
>
> At this point, I would really need you guys to do some dichotomy to try
> to isolate more precisely what kernel change introduced the problem.
> That is if you con
On 12/1/05, Tommy Trussell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> and Xorg won't let me switch to virtual consoles using keyboard commands.
have you set your keyboard type to 'macintosh' in xorg.conf? changing it to
'pc105' or 'pc104' might solve this. keyboard setup on the pbooks has quite
some atrocities
> > Can you resend the patch or direct me to the message in the archive? I
> > was planning to include it for some time but lost track of it.
> >
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2005/08/msg00478.html
>
> It needs a few changes for kernel versions > 2.6.12, but just check the
> diff...
Ap
Michael Tautschnig wrote:
[...]
strange...
I'm a gentoo-user and compiling frequently, but my iBook (G4,1.2GHz, got
it Feb05) never dies on _high_ cpu load.
[...]
Does this also mean that your fan is not running at high speed before those
shutdowns?
Thanks,
Michael
nope, I think it mostly
On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 23:33 -0600, Tommy Trussell wrote:
>
> On 11/30/05, Benjamin Herrenschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do you occasionally see weird Oopses or apps segfaulting or
> is this
> your only problem ? I wonder if it could be bad RAM, though I
> dou
[...]
>
> Can you resend the patch or direct me to the message in the archive? I
> was planning to include it for some time but lost track of it.
>
http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2005/08/msg00478.html
It needs a few changes for kernel versions > 2.6.12, but just check the diff...
> Eith
> Are you using the therm_adt746x-module? Then I might at least be able to
> explain
> those increase/decrease behaviour: One of the sensors (probably the one nearby
> the graphics chip) is fairly cold, whereas the other one shows hot
> temperature.
> I posted a patch for the module some time ago
> > pbbuttons is continuously sending commands to the PMU, thus it really
> > points to a possible issue with the PMU driver, though I'm surprised as
> > I never had any problem of that sort on any of my laptops.
>
>
> If you know another way to generate lots of PMU activity I'd be happy to try
> i
On 11/30/05, Benjamin Herrenschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Do you occasionally see weird Oopses or apps segfaulting or is thisyour only problem ? I wonder if it could be bad RAM, though I doubt it.
Nothing unexpected that would point to RAM. I was trying to remember
the last segfault I had and
On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 22:02 -0600, Tommy Trussell wrote:
>
> On 11/30/05, Benjamin Herrenschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been reviving my old wallstreet, I'll try to reproduce
> the
> shutdowns. Any specific action/load that tend to trigger them
> more
>
On 11/30/05, Benjamin Herrenschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I've been reviving my old wallstreet, I'll try to reproduce theshutdowns. Any specific action/load that tend to trigger them moreoften ?
The bad news ... the only consistent thing is it ONLY happens when I am
actively using the computer
>
> I know this may not apply to the current thread but I want to be clear
> here ... I gather there's no explicit kernel CONTROL over the
> Wallstreet Powerbook fans, but I know they DO come on (or HAVE). Under
> the kernels in Debian Testing up to mid 2004 as well as under all the
> 2.6.x kern
[...]
>
> Yes, now as you say it, I can confirm this for an iBook G4. I had the
> same problem with high CPU load. The fan starts spinning and increase
> its speed until it runs very fast. Then it starts to pulse (increase
> speed -> decrease speed -> inc...) and after a minute or so the iBook
> p
[...]
>
> strange...
> I'm a gentoo-user and compiling frequently, but my iBook (G4,1.2GHz, got
> it Feb05) never dies on _high_ cpu load.
> it happens mostly when I'm typing some stuff in vim or composing
> mails/forum posts, many open rxvts, running firefox, opera,
> thunderbird, xchat, mayb
Joerg Sommer wrote:
Hi Michael,
Michael Tautschnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The last time it happend is a few weeks ago, but at least on my PowerBook6,8 it
only happend when the fan had spinning at full speed for some time (due to high
CPU usage, so it was ok that the fan was spinning so fas
On 11/30/05, Michael Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> P.S. I've looked and even though lsmod says it has loaded several cpufreq> modules, there are no nodes for them in /proc/. I'm going to download and
> try an earlier kernel to see what it USED to do... (My apologies for not> doing that earl
Hi Michael,
Michael Tautschnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The last time it happend is a few weeks ago, but at least on my PowerBook6,8
> it
> only happend when the fan had spinning at full speed for some time (due to
> high
> CPU usage, so it was ok that the fan was spinning so fast). I consid
Michael Schmitz wrote:
> Can the thermostat
> itself turn on the fans without kernel intervention, Ben?
Yes, but only when the temperature is rather high and even then the fans
only go on a little. I've seen it happen on my PB, but if they're running
full-speed this isn't it.
johannes
--
To UN
> > > Hrm... never happen on any of the machines I have around here.
> > >
> > > Could it be related to the temperature ?
> > >
>
>
> ...
>
> on my PowerBook6,8 it
> > only happend when the fan had spinning at full speed for some time (due to
> > high
> > CPU usage, so it was ok that the fan was sp
On 11/29/05, Michael Tautschnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]>> Hrm... never happen on any of the machines I have around here.>> Could it be related to the temperature ?>
...
on my PowerBook6,8 itonly happend when the fan had spinning at full speed for some time (due to high
CPU usage, so it w
[...]
>
> Hrm... never happen on any of the machines I have around here.
>
> Could it be related to the temperature ?
>
Today somebody noted a possible relationship to the fan - until then I ignored
this thread, but this message reminded me of my situation:
The last time it happend is a few we
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 18:28 +0100, sascha brossmann wrote:
> On 11/28/05, Michael Schmitz<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Nah, that calls for amore
> elaborate approach. I'd first verify 2.6.12 is> indeed OK (and it's not just
> your hardware that was still OK at 2.6.12> time)
> same problem here (powerbook
On 11/29/05, sascha brossmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
given the *extremely* irregular frequency of this failure i can wellimagine that it went by undiscovered until too late. and while i amsomewhat happy that it doesn't happen very often, i suspect thatexactly this turns it into a harder proble
On 11/28/05, Michael Schmitz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Nah, that calls for a
more elaborate approach. I'd first verify 2.6.12 is
> indeed OK (and it's not just your hardware that was still OK at 2.6.12
> time)
same problem here (powerbook5,2 w/ up-to-date breezy). i first
suspected it could be a hardw
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 09:11:55AM +1100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> > Do you have an idea when the problem started ?
>
> In a word: no. Some time after 2.6.12 is my best guess, but that
> hardly narrows it down.
>
> I might see if I can find time to regress through a few kernel
> versions,
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 20:52 -0600, Tommy Trussell wrote:
>
> On 11/27/05, Tommy Trussell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On my system, the sudden shutdowns started when I upgraded
> from Ubuntu Hoary to Breezy. It looks like Breezy provides
> either kernel 2.6.10 or
On 11/27/05, Tommy Trussell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On my system, the sudden shutdowns started when I upgraded from Ubuntu
Hoary to Breezy. It looks like Breezy provides either kernel 2.6.10 or
2.6.11 (I probably had upgraded to the latter but I am not certain
now), and Breezy uses 2.6.12.
of c
On 11/27/05, Benjamin Herrenschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Do you have an idea when the problem started ?
On my system, the sudden shutdowns started when I upgraded from Ubuntu
Hoary to Breezy. It looks like Breezy provides either kernel 2.6.10 or
2.6.11 (I probably had upgraded to the latter b
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 09:11:55AM +1100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> Do you have an idea when the problem started ?
In a word: no. Some time after 2.6.12 is my best guess, but that
hardly narrows it down.
I might see if I can find time to regress through a few kernel
versions, with one erro
On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 09:15 +1100, Ian Wienand wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 08:14:03AM +1100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> > Have you tried also doing (as root)
> >
> > echo "0" >/proc/sys/kernel/powersave_nap
> >
> > That will make the machine hotter & suck more battery (at least on
> > m
On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 08:14:03AM +1100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> Have you tried also doing (as root)
>
> echo "0" >/proc/sys/kernel/powersave_nap
>
> That will make the machine hotter & suck more battery (at least on
> machines where nap mode is supported, that isn't the case of the
> wa
On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 08:14:03AM +1100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 16:10 +0100, Michael Schmitz wrote:
> Are you guys all confirming that the problem happens on a kernel without
> CONFIG_CPUFREQ enabled at all ? Have you tried also doing (as root)
I can confirm that it
On 11/24/05, Benjamin Herrenschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 16:10 +0100, Michael Schmitz wrote:> The power loss most probably results from communication> between CPU and PMU breaking down,It most certainly is. It can be the result of a very high interrupt
latency at the w
On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 16:10 +0100, Michael Schmitz wrote:
> The power loss most probably results from communication
> between CPU and PMU breaking down,
It most certainly is. It can be the result of a very high interrupt
latency at the wrong time, a kernel crash just at the wrong time, or
somethi
On 11/24/05, Michael Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The power loss most probably results from communicationbetween CPU and PMU breaking down, which should never be preempted by user
programs (speaking of which - does your kernel have preemption enabled?).
How do I tell? I don't see any such opt
Coming in late on this thread, I've also been experiencing this on a G3
dual-usb iBook2. Currently running Debian Unstable with all the suspect
daemons, just switched to powernowd flavour of cpufreq stuff. It's
impressionistically better than it was recently, but it's still going on.
On Thurs
> > > have you found any interactions with any daemons such as pbbuttonsd?
> >
> > A long time ago people were talking about turning off NoTapTyping or
> > something similarly named -- I tried that and it didn't make a
> > difference.
> >
>
> On a lark I am testing by stopping pbbuttonsd completely
On 11/23/05 at 11:31 PM Ian Wienand <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> have you found any interactions with any daemons such as pbbuttonsd?A long time ago people were talking about turning off NoTapTyping or
something similarly named -- I tried that and it didn't make adifference.
On a lark I am testin
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On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 11:22:16PM -0600, To
On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 10:35:04PM -0600, Tommy Trussell wrote:
> This was the last message I saw in this thread -- has there been any
> progress in tracking this issue down?
>
> I recently dist-upgraded from Ubuntu Hoary to Ubuntu Breezy (5.10) and then
> began experiencing the sudden random powe
On 9/12/05, Ian Wienand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 07:34:06PM +1000, James Ballantine wrote:> I've been running cpufreqd for the last few days with full logging> enabled. the system powered off just now - I don't see anything> anomalous in /var/log/syslog (and no mention of
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