Re: apt-get and /usr remount (was Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive)

2001-05-19 Thread Ethan Benson
On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 02:15:02AM -0300, Peter Cordes wrote: > On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 01:24:12AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > > just `grep deleted /proc/*/maps' after upgrading libc sometime ;-) > > I have done stuff like that in the past, actually. One thing I noticed was > that daemons resta

Re: apt-get and /usr remount (was Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive)

2001-05-19 Thread Peter Cordes
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 01:24:12AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > just `grep deleted /proc/*/maps' after upgrading libc sometime ;-) I have done stuff like that in the past, actually. One thing I noticed was that daemons restarted after an upgrade were started with an open file descriptor refering

Re: apt-get and /usr remount (was Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive)

2001-05-19 Thread Peter Cordes
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 01:24:12AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 02:01:15AM -0300, Peter Cordes wrote: > > On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 04:39:49AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > > > for example when you upgrade libc every bash process must be killed > > > before remounting of /usr i

Re: apt-get and /usr remount (was Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive)

2001-05-18 Thread Ethan Benson
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 02:01:15AM -0300, Peter Cordes wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 04:39:49AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > > for example when you upgrade libc every bash process must be killed > > before remounting of /usr is possible since it mmaps some locale file > > (IME anyway). > > (

Re: apt-get and /usr remount (was Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive)

2001-05-18 Thread Peter Cordes
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 04:39:49AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > for example when you upgrade libc every bash process must be killed > before remounting of /usr is possible since it mmaps some locale file > (IME anyway). (Almost) everything mmap()s /lib/libc.so.6. That's probably more important

Re: apt-get and /usr remount (was Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive)

2001-05-17 Thread Ethan Benson
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 02:18:36PM +0200, Just a friendly Jedi Knight wrote: > > > > hmm, i have never had any such problems with daemons. the only time i > it was copied and pasted from some post on debian-devel =o))) yes now i remember that discussion, but i don't think it was ever proved tha

apt-get and /usr remount (was Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive)

2001-05-17 Thread Just a friendly Jedi Knight
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:37:46AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > > > > DPkg::Pre-Invoke {"mount -o remount,rw /usr";}; > > > > DPkg::Post-Invoke {"mount -o remount,ro /usr";}; > > > > DPkg::RunDirectory "/"; > > > > > > what does that RunDirectory "/"; do? > > From what i remeber it forces daemon

Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive

2001-05-17 Thread Ethan Benson
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:48:35AM +0200, Just a friendly Jedi Knight wrote: > On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:27:16AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > > > as for making apt to remount rw before and ro after upgrading put this > > > > > > DPkg::Pre-Invoke {"mount -o remount,rw /usr";}; > > > DPkg::Post-Inv

Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive

2001-05-17 Thread Just a friendly Jedi Knight
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:27:16AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > > as for making apt to remount rw before and ro after upgrading put this > > > > DPkg::Pre-Invoke {"mount -o remount,rw /usr";}; > > DPkg::Post-Invoke {"mount -o remount,ro /usr";}; > > DPkg::RunDirectory "/"; > > what does that Run

Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive

2001-05-16 Thread Peter Cordes
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 01:35:03AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > because /var and /tmp have no business being on the root partition. > they should be seperate partitions (or if you use 2.4 kernels /tmp > should perhaps be tmpfs. anyone have any docs/info on advantages of > this?) ext2 is probabl

Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive

2001-05-16 Thread Ethan Benson
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 11:38:18AM +0200, Just a friendly Jedi Knight wrote: > On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 03:43:37PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > > > > you are looking for more reliability and stability, that is not > > something you can really expect from any of the journalling > > filesystems quite

Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive

2001-05-16 Thread Just a friendly Jedi Knight
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 03:43:37PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > > you are looking for more reliability and stability, that is not > something you can really expect from any of the journalling > filesystems quite yet. yes yes some people love to say IWFM, but > there are plenty of others with horr

Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive

2001-05-16 Thread Ethan Benson
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 11:47:45AM +0200, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: > On Wednesday 16 May 2001 01:43, Ethan Benson wrote: > > install both disks and use cpio. i never reinstall the OS for > > something as mundane as a disk upgrade. > > Well, I never opened my Pismo but I'd think that there

Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive

2001-05-16 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Wed, 16 May 2001, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: > I already have /usr as a separate partition. But how do you teach apt to > remount it read-write and then read-only again? > Why make / 64 MB big when making /tmp and /var as a separate partition? Both > could find place on that partition...

Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive

2001-05-16 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
On Wednesday 16 May 2001 01:43, Ethan Benson wrote: > install both disks and use cpio. i never reinstall the OS for > something as mundane as a disk upgrade. Well, I never opened my Pismo but I'd think that there is only one IDE connector... Anyone have experience with that? > fixing bugs takes

Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive

2001-05-15 Thread Ethan Benson
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 01:27:49AM +0200, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: > > Okay, I didn't make it clear enough: I have a Pismo with the original 6 gig > hard drive. Now, having to have both operating systems installed, that is way > to small for the operations that I do. Thus I need a bigger

Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive

2001-05-15 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
On Sunday 13 May 2001 22:18, Jason E. Stewart wrote: > "Philipp von Weitershausen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I installed Debian from the official Potato-CD-Set and distupgraded > > to woody. I've no idea though how to install Debian on a ReiserFS > > system on a blank hard drive. I mean, I o

Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive

2001-05-14 Thread Ethan Benson
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 02:08:04PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > Nope, reiserfsck does (or rather should do? ;) the same as e2fsck does. > > The log replay at mount time just replays the last few transactions, which > doesn't guarantee consistency of the filesystem. exactly > Yep, that's one of

Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive

2001-05-14 Thread Michel Dänzer
Sven LUTHER wrote: On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 03:07:21PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > but don't buy into reiserfs solely on hype. at least wait for it to have a fsck that actually works. and no journalling fs does NOT mean `you never need fsck!' that is a pure unadulterated lie^H^H^Hmyth.

Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive

2001-05-14 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 03:07:21PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 09:49:26PM +0200, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > looking at the output of 'df', I decided to buy a new hard drive for my > > Pismo > > soon. Now, given the size of hard drives today, I

Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive

2001-05-13 Thread Mike Fedyk
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 04:27:01PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > > I have no investment one or the other. What about XFS makes more > > sense? > > it has far greater filesystem/file size abilities then reiser. it > also appears to be faster in many/most aspects. Not in it's 1.0 release. XFS 1.0

Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive

2001-05-13 Thread Ethan Benson
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 05:49:07PM -0600, Jason E. Stewart wrote: > "Ethan Benson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > it sounds to me like you want a more reliable filesystem, for this > > purpose you do NOT want reiserfs yet. i would stick with ext2 which > > is a very mature, stable and reliable

Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive

2001-05-13 Thread Jason E. Stewart
"Ethan Benson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > it sounds to me like you want a more reliable filesystem, for this > purpose you do NOT want reiserfs yet. i would stick with ext2 which > is a very mature, stable and reliable filesystem NOW. And you get to wait for fsck forever and ever and ever a

Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive

2001-05-13 Thread Ethan Benson
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 09:49:26PM +0200, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: > Hi there, > > looking at the output of 'df', I decided to buy a new hard drive for my Pismo > soon. Now, given the size of hard drives today, It just doesn't seem to be > wise to use ext2 anymore. I also often read that

Re: ReiserFS on blank hard drive

2001-05-13 Thread Jason E. Stewart
"Philipp von Weitershausen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I installed Debian from the official Potato-CD-Set and distupgraded > to woody. I've no idea though how to install Debian on a ReiserFS > system on a blank hard drive. I mean, I obviously cannot just use > another set of boot floopies like

ReiserFS on blank hard drive

2001-05-13 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Hi there, looking at the output of 'df', I decided to buy a new hard drive for my Pismo soon. Now, given the size of hard drives today, It just doesn't seem to be wise to use ext2 anymore. I also often read that Michel Daenzer, Jason Stewart, and other people are running their machine with Rei