On 2/1/19 8:57 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On Feb 1, 2019, at 4:38 PM, user...@yahoo.com wrote:
The Lombard is NewWorld, so yaboot works.
Yes, BootX is needed for
OldWorld systems.
> On Feb 1, 2019, at 4:38 PM, user...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> The Lombard is NewWorld, so yaboot works. Yes, BootX is needed for
> OldWorld systems.
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All PowerPC Macs from the iMac, the iBook, the Blue and White Power Mac G3 and
the Bronze Keyboard (Lombard) PowerBook G3forward ar
On 2/1/19 8:33 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
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>> On Feb 1, 2019, at 4:25 PM, user...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/1/19 2:19 AM, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
>>> Hi Adrian,
>>>
>>> John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
So, again, unless there are really compelling arguments for using Yaboot
> On Feb 1, 2019, at 4:25 PM, user...@yahoo.com wrote:
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>> On 2/1/19 2:19 AM, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
>> Hi Adrian,
>>
>> John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>>> So, again, unless there are really compelling arguments for using Yaboot
>>> or SILO except for personal preference, I do absolutely s
On 2/1/19 2:19 AM, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
> Hi Adrian,
>
> John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>> So, again, unless there are really compelling arguments for using Yaboot
>> or SILO except for personal preference, I do absolutely see no reason
>> why I should carry the additional maintenance burden f
Hi Adrian,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
So, again, unless there are really compelling arguments for using Yaboot
or SILO except for personal preference, I do absolutely see no reason
why I should carry the additional maintenance burden for it.
one reason is perhaps that on Macs GRUB is yet
On 2019-01-29, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> If Yaboot actually didn't have any issues with ext4, would actually
> build against modern versions of e2fslibs-dev, supporters would have a
> point, maybe.
Those two issues (outdated e2fslibs-dev and no ext4 support) might
actually be the same is
On 1/29/19 9:00 AM, Michael Cree wrote:
>> Yaboot is unmaintained upstream and does not support modern ext4 features. In
>> order for Yaboot to work properly, you have to turn certain features in ext4
>> off, otherwise it won't work and the boot fails.
>
> Can you not have an ext3 boot partition a
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 12:07:38AM -0800, Rick Thomas wrote:
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> > On Jan 29, 2019, at 12:00 AM, Michael Cree wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:45:10PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> >> On 1/28/19 12:34 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
> >>> I realize that this may require some progr
On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:45:10PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 1/28/19 12:34 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
> > I realize that this may require some programming, but would it be possible
> > to have it ask a question early on (maybe at or before the beginning of
> > partitioning) requestin
> On Jan 29, 2019, at 12:00 AM, Michael Cree wrote:
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> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:45:10PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>> On 1/28/19 12:34 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
>>> I realize that this may require some programming, but would it be possible
>>> to have it ask a question early on (m
On 1/28/19 6:53 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 1/28/19 2:30 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
>>> Yaboot is unmaintained upstream and does not support modern ext4 features.
>>> In
>>> order for Yaboot to work properly, you have to turn certain features in ext4
>>> off, otherwise it won't work and
On 1/28/19 4:42 PM, Frank Scheiner wrote:
>>> I believe the current d-i/yaboot-installer expects to install on a HFS
>>> bootstrap (though I assume yaboot can also boot from FAT). If the
>>> default bootstrap method is changed this would require changes to keep
>>> it working.
>>
>> Yes, but GRUB w
[ Interjecting a little... ]
Adrian wrote:
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>Plus, having working and usable hfsprogs is still desirable because
>Macs tend to have HFS partitions, independent of the bootloader.
>
>Another difference between Yaboot and hfsprogs is that the latter is
>no longer part of unstable while hfsprogs is.
On 1/28/19 15:34, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 1/28/19 3:05 PM, Frank Scheiner wrote:>> What would be the gain of
implementing this? Sure, it would be possible
to implement it. But for what particular reasons and why would it be
required for Yaboot?
I believe the current d-i/yaboot-ins
On 1/28/19 3:05 PM, Frank Scheiner wrote:>> What would be the gain of
implementing this? Sure, it would be possible
>> to implement it. But for what particular reasons and why would it be
>> required for Yaboot?
>
> I believe the current d-i/yaboot-installer expects to install on a HFS
> bootstra
On 1/28/19 14:42, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 1/28/19 2:18 PM, Frank Scheiner wrote:
Theoretically something similar could be created - at a different place
though, i.e. before the partitioning step - to support both HFS and
FAT16 bootstrap methods in the installer for NewWorld Power Mac
On 1/28/19 2:30 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
>> Yaboot is unmaintained upstream and does not support modern ext4 features. In
>> order for Yaboot to work properly, you have to turn certain features in ext4
>> off, otherwise it won't work and the boot fails.
>>
>> Unless someone picks up maintenance work
On 1/28/19 2:18 PM, Frank Scheiner wrote:
>> I don't understand this argument. GRUB works on PowerPC Macs and is
>> fully supported or am I missing something? I also works fine on SPARC
>> hardware with Sun partition tables.
>
> We implemented a switch in d-i/grub-installer that allows to install
> On Jan 28, 2019, at 3:45 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
> wrote:
>
> On 1/28/19 12:34 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
>> I realize that this may require some programming, but would it be possible
>> to have it ask a question early on (maybe at or before the beginning of
>> partitioning) requesting th
On 1/28/19 14:01, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 1/28/19 1:52 PM, Frank Scheiner wrote:
@Rick:
I thought about something like this since Mark reported the bootstrap
limits in OpenBIOS. It could in principle work similar to the switch
between non-GPT and GPT capable SPARC hardware ([1]).
I
On 1/28/19 1:52 PM, Frank Scheiner wrote:
> @Rick:
> I thought about something like this since Mark reported the bootstrap
> limits in OpenBIOS. It could in principle work similar to the switch
> between non-GPT and GPT capable SPARC hardware ([1]).
I don't understand this argument. GRUB works on
On 1/28/19 12:45, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 1/28/19 12:34 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
I realize that this may require some programming, but would it be possible
to have it ask a question early on (maybe at or before the beginning of
partitioning) requesting the user to choose between yaboot
On 1/28/19 12:34 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
> I realize that this may require some programming, but would it be possible
> to have it ask a question early on (maybe at or before the beginning of
> partitioning) requesting the user to choose between yaboot and grub? Then
> the partitioner would automat
> On Jan 28, 2019, at 1:55 AM, Frank Scheiner wrote:
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>> {2} Would it be possible to have “install yaboot boot loader” be an
>> option on the main menu — parallel to “install grub bootloader”?
>> That would be less daunting for beginners who don’t have our level of
>> initiation into the Debia
On 1/28/19 10:19, Rick Thomas wrote:
When it got to trying to install grub, that failed (as expected). I
chose to “continue without boot loader”. It wrapped up and ejected the
CD then paused before trying to reboot. While it was paused I switched
to the alt- console and did the following{2}:
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