Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-11-08 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 11/08/2016 10:10 AM, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote: >> The best thing that could happen right now was a company approaching >> Debian, emphasizing the importance of the powerpc architecture for >> their business, and declaring they will hire two Debian Developers who >> will contribute to

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-11-08 Thread Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo
On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 07:16:00PM +0100, Christoph Biedl wrote: > luigi burdo wrote... > > > Im thinking to start a petition about ... "dont kill debian penguins on > > powerpc" > > Don't. The release team folks are not politicians who get convinced by > a lot of noise. Unless I completely misu

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-11-04 Thread Dragan Stojkovic
I'm willing to support somehow. I own several PowerPC (G4 & G5) machines and could also spent some time for doing testings. I studied IT in 2000 and since then I haven’t spent much time on real IT stuff. Only IS Service- and Release Mgmt so far. I even don’t remember the last time i installed E

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-11-04 Thread luigi burdo
Had been some one try to contact NXP about? Luigi Da: Christoph Biedl Inviato: venerdì 4 novembre 2016 19.16 A: PowerPC List Debian Oggetto: Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch' luigi burdo wrote... > Im thinking to start a p

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-11-04 Thread Christoph Biedl
Herminio Hernandez Jr. wrote... > To say that no one stepped forward is not true. Adrian stepped up > and asked to be the porter for PowerPC. Digging in the past isn't very helpful, but there one thing I'd like to understand: Nobody responded to the initial role call in August. Some folks had do

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-11-04 Thread Christoph Biedl
luigi burdo wrote... > Im thinking to start a petition about ... "dont kill debian penguins on > powerpc" Don't. The release team folks are not politicians who get convinced by a lot of noise. Unless I completely misunderstand their position, the only question that matters is: Can we (as the Deb

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-11-04 Thread luigi burdo
com>> Inviato: venerdì 4 novembre 2016 16.25 A: luigi burdo Cc: Herminio Hernandez Jr.; PowerPC List Debian Oggetto: Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch' Does this mean no support for e6500? On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 6:13 AM, luigi burdo mailto:intermedi...@hotmail.com

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-11-04 Thread Joe Nosay
t; > > Luigi > > > -- > *Da:* Joe Nosay > *Inviato:* venerdì 4 novembre 2016 16.25 > *A:* luigi burdo > *Cc:* Herminio Hernandez Jr.; PowerPC List Debian > *Oggetto:* Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch' > > Does this mean no support for e6500

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-11-04 Thread luigi burdo
Da: Herminio Hernandez Jr. mailto:herminio.hernande...@gmail.com>> Inviato: venerdì 4 novembre 2016 11.05 A: Christoph Biedl Cc: PowerPC List Debian Oggetto: Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch' To say that no one stepped forward is not true. Adrian stepped up and asked to be the port

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-11-04 Thread Joe Nosay
to:* venerdì 4 novembre 2016 11.05 > *A:* Christoph Biedl > *Cc:* PowerPC List Debian > *Oggetto:* Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch' > > To say that no one stepped forward is not true. Adrian stepped up and > asked to be the porter for PowerPC. There was

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-11-04 Thread luigi burdo
Im thinking to start a petition about ... "dont kill debian penguins on powerpc" Luigi Da: Herminio Hernandez Jr. Inviato: venerdì 4 novembre 2016 11.05 A: Christoph Biedl Cc: PowerPC List Debian Oggetto: Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'S

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-11-04 Thread Herminio Hernandez Jr.
To say that no one stepped forward is not true. Adrian stepped up and asked to be the porter for PowerPC. There was an entire thread on PowerPC qualifying for Stretch where he stated his desire to support it. In the end his request was turned down. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 4, 2016, at 2:0

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-11-04 Thread luigi burdo
Hi Debian mantainers, for understand how much people are interested in installing linux on powerpc (powermac g5) just check this video views https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5yZ9oF_mgU it was created 3 months ago ... and have "only" more than 70.000 views. Hope you will understand this choic

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-11-03 Thread Rick Thomas
On Nov 3, 2016, at 11:17 PM, Christoph Biedl wrote: > Herminio Hernandez, Jr. wrote... > >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Rick Thomas wrote: >> >>> Will there be an LTS (long-term-support) release for powerpc — best would >>> be one based on Jessie? >> >> No there is no lts for ppc only

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-11-03 Thread Christoph Biedl
Herminio Hernandez Jr. wrote... > I saw that after I asked the question. It just really stinks. Keep it down. From an outsider's point of view the decision is more than understandable. Their interest is only "are there enough people willing to support powerpc?", and the indications were pretty

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-11-03 Thread Christoph Biedl
Herminio Hernandez, Jr. wrote... > On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Rick Thomas wrote: > > > Will there be an LTS (long-term-support) release for powerpc — best would > > be one based on Jessie? > > No there is no lts for ppc only i386, amd64, and arm > > https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/ Perhaps R

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-11-03 Thread Christoph Biedl
Lennart Sorensen wrote... > On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 09:09:56AM -0700, Herminio Hernandez Jr. wrote: > > Is there even a chance for PowerPC to return as a release architecture for > > Debian 10 or is that just wishful thinking. > > Well as pointed out in the meeting, it does not seem any archit

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-11-01 Thread txt.file
There are some architectures which have once been release architectures but are now 'only' available in sid. E.g. alpha (slink to lenny), hppa (woody to lenny) or m68k (hamm to etch). The only architecture I see which once was release but I am unable to find in sid is ia64.[0] In summary: PowerPC

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread Herminio Hernandez, Jr.
There is some hope then... On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo < casca...@minaslivre.org> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 04:34:15PM -0700, Herminio Hernandez, Jr. wrote: > > I have they in the past kept and architecture that was dropped as a > release > > arch? > > GN

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 04:34:15PM -0700, Herminio Hernandez, Jr. wrote: > I have they in the past kept and architecture that was dropped as a release > arch? GNU/kFreeBSD was released as a technology preview for squeeze, kept as TP in wheezy, then not made part of the jessie. I can't find it in t

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread Herminio Hernandez, Jr.
No there is no lts for ppc only i386, amd64, and arm https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/ On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Rick Thomas wrote: > > Will there be an LTS (long-term-support) release for powerpc — best would > be one based on Jessie? > > > On Oct 31, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Mathieu Malaterre wr

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread Herminio Hernandez, Jr.
I have they in the past kept and architecture that was dropped as a release arch? On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo < casca...@minaslivre.org> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 11:58:31PM +0100, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > > On 31/10/2016 18:44, Lennart S

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 11:58:31PM +0100, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Hi, > > > On 31/10/2016 18:44, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > I am not a DD, or a DM, but I have certainly helped fix problems for > > powerpc, including in language runtimes for languages I don't use. > > Unfortunately it seems the

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread Rick Thomas
Will there be an LTS (long-term-support) release for powerpc — best would be one based on Jessie? On Oct 31, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Anyone has a summary of the powerpc specific discussion ? > > > -- Forwarded message -- > [...] > The only change from Je

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, On 31/10/2016 18:44, Lennart Sorensen wrote: I am not a DD, or a DM, but I have certainly helped fix problems for powerpc, including in language runtimes for languages I don't use. Unfortunately it seems the upstream for most things don't care much for anything other than x86 and arm these

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread luigi burdo
Da: Lennart Sorensen Inviato: lunedì 31 ottobre 2016 18.49 A: luigi burdo Cc: PowerPC List Debian Oggetto: Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch' On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 05:00:35PM +, luigi burdo wrote: > and not only Riccardo, > if we count amcc 44x , chrp,

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 05:00:35PM +, luigi burdo wrote: > and not only Riccardo, > if we count amcc 44x , chrp, Xe and e500,e600 in addition to 32bit and > G5,Power5,6,7 and e5500,e6500 and P6T... > read about this news is a really punch in the stomac for all user,dev and > factory who beliv

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 05:45:30PM +0100, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > I think nobody ever got back.. we got dropped. Are we "dead" ? I don't feel > dead bu apparently we just got declared so. All the nice G3 and G4 > hardware... I am more concerned with the embedded systems still being produced, and

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread luigi burdo
and not only Riccardo, if we count amcc 44x , chrp, Xe and e500,e600 in addition to 32bit and G5,Power5,6,7 and e5500,e6500 and P6T... read about this news is a really punch in the stomac for all user,dev and factory who belive in BE ppc. luigi Inviato da iPad > Il giorno 31 ott 2016, alle ore

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Lennart Sorensen wrote: Well as pointed out in the meeting, it does not seem any architecture has ever done so. No rule against it, but the standards for getting in are higher than for staying in. I think nobody ever got back.. we got dropped. Are we "dead" ? I don't feel dead bu apparen

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread Herminio Hernandez Jr.
I saw that after I asked the question. It just really stinks. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 31, 2016, at 9:18 AM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 09:09:56AM -0700, Herminio Hernandez Jr. wrote: >> Is there even a chance for PowerPC to return as a release architecture fo

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 09:09:56AM -0700, Herminio Hernandez Jr. wrote: > Is there even a chance for PowerPC to return as a release architecture for > Debian 10 or is that just wishful thinking. Well as pointed out in the meeting, it does not seem any architecture has ever done so. No rule aga

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread Herminio Hernandez Jr.
Is there even a chance for PowerPC to return as a release architecture for Debian 10 or is that just wishful thinking. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 31, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 03:33:32PM +, luigi burdo wrote: >> Really Bad news for all us

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 03:33:32PM +, luigi burdo wrote: > Really Bad news for all us who have a ppc64 hardware, server or emb too. No kidding. My impression from just being on the mailing list was that anyone that tried to step up was told they weren't qualified for some reason. -- Len Sor

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread luigi burdo
Really Bad news for all us who have a ppc64 hardware, server or emb too. Luigi Da: mathieu.malate...@gmail.com per conto di Mathieu Malaterre Inviato: lunedì 31 ottobre 2016 14.42 A: PowerPC List Debian Oggetto: Fwd: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch

Re: Release Architectures for Debian 9 'Stretch'

2016-10-31 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On 2016-10-31 13:31, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: The only change from Jessie is the removal of powerpc as a release architecture. ...and adding of mips64el. Oops. -- Jonathan Wiltshire j...@debian.org Debian Developer http://people.de