#x27;s where things
get hairy.
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On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 01:47:34AM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 12:33:49AM +0000, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > But one is much less likely to do that: there may be the odd line of
> > code in shoop, but to actually warp the makefile into shoop would seem
>
ral, I just grab a standard example rules
file and edit it to my needs.
I dunno. I'm still not convinced either way.
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kely to go, then I maintain that to
ensure we build good packages, we should stick with makefiles, which
are designed to do things just like this.
Or we could go and write all of our rules files in Python. Now
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On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 12:01:40PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 11:01:53PM +0000, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > I just checked: in policy 3.1.1.1, they were a MUST (section 2.4.2).
> > I don't know when that got lost. So we'll go back to it.
>
>
t exit with exit
status 2. If you are called with a -q flag, you must not attempt to
perform any actions, and must return with exit status 2 if and only
if the requested target does not exist.
This is getting messy, but still doable.
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r. I sent a note to the bug
report about that.
The real bug is that it's got bashisms in a /bin/sh script ;-)
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, I guess that just about wraps up this issue, then. The only
little thing to add is about exit values, because that might start
causing problems.
Back to real stuff, then!
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On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 02:51:55PM +1100, Brian May wrote:
> >>>>> "Julian" == Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Julian> The ftp and ftp-ssl packages have started providing the
> Julian> ftp-client virtual package. The ncftp
ow this specific directive is a separate question.
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Failure to specify source dependencies is currently
not RC." Will it ever be considered RC? We'll revisit that question
when 95% comply. If we later discover that there should be
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>
> (is this required by policy?)
Yes.
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On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 10:49:46PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 11:14:58AM +0000, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > So we say "Packages MUST specify source dependencies." and in the
> > annex to policy: "Failure to specify source dependencies is curr
On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 01:12:47PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 10:54:48AM +0000, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > What *is* reasonable is to say "I don't yet have time to deal with
> > this."
> >
> > So the source dependencies
here
are, we should think of them now rather than later.
Once that is done, I think I'll be happy with the proposal.
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On Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 12:06:26AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 02:00:59PM +0000, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > The two issues:
> > (1) What we demand of packages to comply with policy.
> requirements (MUST) and recommendations (SHOULD)
>
> &
to read than shoop's.
Maybe someone should offer to help the maintainer rewrite them
readably?
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ng being
> usual should not stop others to do things a differently.
Agreed, as long as we standardise a minimal command-line interface
which must work. See my other posts.
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On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 05:20:47PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > debian/rules -q target
> >
> > exit status: 2 if target does not exist, !=2 otherwise
>
> This has *never* been required, was never documented anywhere, and
>
On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 05:43:28PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > Right. Give a policy diff which specifies *exactly* what interfaces
> > are required of debian/rules.
>
> I'll make some other changes as well. I notice the curr
On Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 11:48:49AM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > Simply not true. Read the source code for dpkg-buildpackage. I'm
> > objecting to this until we specify the following (growing) minimal
> > interface:
> >
On Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 11:46:39AM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> retitle [PROPOSAL] Optional build-arch and build-indep targets for
> debian/rules
> thanks
>
> Previously Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > See bug#72335 (accepted).
>
> How can this be accepted if there is n
ised because they've
always been assumed to be executable makefiles, which thus have an
implied API, and this has led to coding that makes use of this
assumption.
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I also don't see any conflicts line that would require
> the system to remove packaging-manual.
Already fixed in CVS.
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ething is definitely a bug,
> but not necessarily a severe one.
Agreed.
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On Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 01:20:44AM -0600, Taral wrote:
> What is going to happen with this? It is getting very irritating.
It will be fixed during the next upload.
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to not
> count. Shouldn't these sections rather be in Policy proper?
No, the FTP masters are; they are the ones who maintain the overrides
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th suidmanager (<< 0.50).
>
> If I understand dpkg-statoverride correctly, mentioning that
> dpkg-statoverride is not to be called from maintainer post/pre
> install scripts should also be added.
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> Euhm, how did you come to that conclusion?
dpkg-statoverride --list is OK, adding or removing overrides is almost
certainly not.
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 04:42:46PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > dpkg-statoverride --list is OK, adding or removing overrides is almost
> > certainly not.
>
> It most certainly is. Think dynamic useres and groups, user interactio
eplaced by "must be supported",
contingent on the above suggestion?
10.8:
"X translations are set up ... all local X displays" -- should
this be "X servers"?
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for the files while it is installing them and will make the shared
library links point to them, just before `dpkg' continues the
installation and removes the links!
This clarifies how ldconfig should/must be used.
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> Previously Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > Is there any easy way in which dpkg-statoverride can be modified to
> > distinguish between local and package overrides, in the way that
> > suidmanager used to do?
>
On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 03:00:14AM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > 7.2 Binary dependencies
> > This section states that "All but Pre-Depends and Conflicts take
> > effect only when a package is to be configured." But ac
ily change "must not" to "should not"?
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On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 01:40:47PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > But what does it mean for a "suggests to take effect"?
>
> (Pre-)Depends, Conflicts and Replaces are the only ones that dpkg
> cares about, the others are for fronte
ence.
Wichert, is this possible?
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 09:43:01PM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote:
> Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Yes, when I started this thread, I hadn't thought of this case. But
> > I've now become convinced of the need to have a distinction between
> >
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d, but no conclusion reached, AFAIK. I
don't know what aj is planning to do, ultimately.
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for xdvi, and the error message will
explain what to do if there's a problem. And given that running xdvi
outside of an X environment is a bit daft anyway, this really
shouldn't be much of an issue.
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> one treats OpenMotif the same as OSF/Motif. This proposal makes that
> explicit.
Seconded.
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g specific
libraries. So build the package on stable, and if it breaks in
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e to do
it, and it does make the change harder to read.
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Has it always been able to cope with this for all fields? dpkg-dev
may be a different story, but is much less important in this regard.
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Seconded.
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should or recommended directive
violations) and wishlist (for optional
For with the insistance that "must" = RC bug, there may be some
"should" recommendations which are really important to implement, but
which are not considered quite RC.
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> On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 11:30:08AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > > --- policy.sgml.old Sun Mar 25 22:33:31 2001
> > > +++ policy.sgml Sun Mar 25 22:33:52 2001
&
comments as affecting whether
this change should happen.
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statement on this reasonable? (Or is there already one?)
I'd just file a bug report against the package saying what you've just
said.
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 07:32:34AM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote:
> Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > That's probably correct; they function perfectly if everything works,
> > but if the postinst ends up being called with an abort-* argument, I'm
> &
ld be perverse, but I would like to stay on the
> safe side.
No, only a-zA-Z0-9 should be allowed. I have no idea whether this is
enforced anywhere, but this should probably be spelled out in policy.
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>
> d3b14n/ru|z seems like a good choice.
Although the | could cause fun were someone to forget to quote it ;-)
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On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 03:01:42AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >>"Julian" == Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Julian> On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 03:50:39PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> >> policy uses alphanumeric to define version n
t;it<<< should prompt the user ...". What is "it"? I think
it's probably the pre/postinst.
12.8 There's a footnote (7) which says "Rationale: clarifies the
language..."; surely this shouldn't be in the document!
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list bugs to the sysvinit and file-rc packages? (They will need
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On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 01:21:09PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > 11.2, penultimate paragraph reads:
> > Packages that use libtool to create shared libraries should
> > include the _.la_ files in the _-dev_ packages, with the
&g
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is specifying "FHS version 2.1" in place of "FHS" when we
discuss it. (Exact diff will be supplied if needed.)
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Roman, would you
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is we'll want to be careful. There are
probably going to be issues.
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:15:36PM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> On 20010411T191823+0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > I've just found an issue which must be resolved whether this proposal
> > is accepted or not. At present, the Build-{Depends,Conflicts}-Indep
> >
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:51:08AM -0300, Henrique M Holschuh wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Apr 2001, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > I would like to put this amendment into the next version of policy in
> > the next few weeks. However, the scripts still do not appear to be in
> > the sysvini
together a status page for this task, but I
can't do the above alone (reading the reports takes quite long
enough).
Thanks for any help on this one!
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 02:44:26PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
>
> On 11-Apr-2001 Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > We don't really have any standard way of saying "you really should do
> > this as it's a really good thing to do, but there's no req
rd paragraph altogether ? It becomes
> obsolete if the "base" section is to be removed.
I agree with Yann's suggestion. Joey, are you agreeable to this
change; Yann, are you seconding this proposal? If so, it'll go in a
soon-to-be-released policy version.
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that >90% of packages are uploaded at least once per year.
(c) Urgent requirements could be dealt with using the current RC bug
method after being discussed on -policy.
Then, as a *corollary* of the above, "must" and "should" would need to
change their
t role, but some more of the details of how update-mime
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27;m proposing that we CHANGE THE MEANING OF "MUST" AND "SHOULD".
I'm proposing that we say that all packages have to meed a minumum
version of policy by the time the release happens, using NMUs if
necessary. This does not really happen at present, except when QA
decide to
here was what I wrote:
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 12:49:40AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> Problems:
>
> (1) Many maintainers ignore policy changes and don't apply them to
> their packages. The above statistics give some indication of the
> extent of this problem.
>
and to know it so
well that no amount of evidence to the contrary could change your
views on the matter. (This is not to say that I'm right, just that
you've essentially ignored absolutely everything that anyone has said
about this that hasn't agreed with your view.)
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DELINES and as directives of what is
RC is somewhat misguided: a "good" Debian package will fulfill many
more requirements than are considered RC.
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> I guess there are two conflicting desires here:
>
> (1) The Acting Release Manager's desire to have it clear what
> constitutes an RC bug.
>
> (2) Developers' desires to know what "must&quo
ifying things. I'm just starting chapter 5 right
now.
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> On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 10:49:14AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 02:16:24AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > > I guess there are two conflicting desires here:
> > > (1) The Acting
m happy for better ones.
When implementing this, I'm planning to use entities for the various
ideas: &must; &mustrc; etc. In that way, we can play with possible
notations and people can search for all &mustrc;s. Another possible
notation is MUST (RC) versus MUST.
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my own.
I sure do agree with you, but Aj doesn't seem to think so ;-) <-- flame bait
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ation or design/agreement for one, that we can put it into
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t of stuff, but
only one offer has been forthcoming.
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> for proposals. If this is in error (Julian/Manoj?) let me know and I'll
> stop proposing things. :)
You can certainly propose stuff, but I don't believe you can second
stuff.
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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:48:12 +0100
From: "Oliver Elphick"
Subject: Re: Old proposals again (Re: [PROPOSAL] Re: Shared libs vs. plugins.)
To: Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc: Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECT
p. File a bug report!
Julian
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Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, Queen Mary, Univ. of London
Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://people.debian.org/~jdg
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On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 07:05:40PM +0200, philippe batailler wrote:
> Debian policy : cvs version 1.46
Thanks, about to change in CVS.
Julian
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Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, Queen Mary, Univ. of Lon
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 05:05:08PM -0700, Daniel Schepler wrote:
> Is this an inconsistency with the above quote from section 7.6, which
> uses the word "may"?
Yes.
Julian
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Julian
e are a lot of bugs and it's hard for just one or
two people to maintain them without the submitters lending a little
bit of a helping hand by marking the proposals as amendments when the
time comes.
Julian
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Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, Queen Mary, Univ. of London
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ections
Julian
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Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, Queen Mary, Univ. of London
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Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, Queen Mary, Univ. of London
Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://people.debian.org/~jdg
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severity 79451 fixed
retitle 79541 [OLD PROPOSAL] include the apache license in base-files
Since there has been no progress on this proposal, I'm marking it as
an old proposal.
Julian
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