Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-09 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
Hi Colin! On Mon, 09 Jun 2003, Colin Walters wrote: > On Mon, 2003-06-09 at 12:05, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > On Sun, 08 Jun 2003, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ echo $LANG > > > nl_BE.UTF-8 > > > > Is it in locale.gen? Otherwise, you will NOT have the locale infor

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-09 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, 2003-06-09 at 12:05, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Sun, 08 Jun 2003, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ echo $LANG > > nl_BE.UTF-8 > > Is it in locale.gen? Otherwise, you will NOT have the locale information... Ah, good call. We should have that in the default loca

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-09 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 08 Jun 2003, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ echo $LANG > nl_BE.UTF-8 Is it in locale.gen? Otherwise, you will NOT have the locale information... > which means that uxterm manually ensures that $LANG is set to > something.UTF-8, since I set my $LANG to nl_BE. Ick. -- "O

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 05:58:28PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > [ no need to CC me ] > > On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 17:39, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > No, I'm using bash... > > Weird. It works here. What's your $LANG? If you're inputting Unicode > it should probably be something.UTF-8. it is:

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-07 Thread Colin Walters
[ no need to CC me ] On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 17:39, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > No, I'm using bash... Weird. It works here. What's your $LANG? If you're inputting Unicode it should probably be something.UTF-8.

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 04:17:15PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 15:36, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > Yeah, but it's not always as good as the legacy support is. For > > instance, last I tried uxterm (like, 2 minutes ago), I put in a euro > > sign somewhere. Which appeared cor

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-07 Thread Colin Walters
On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 15:36, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Yeah, but it's not always as good as the legacy support is. For > instance, last I tried uxterm (like, 2 minutes ago), I put in a euro > sign somewhere. Which appeared correctly (hurray), but doing backspace > over that didn't do what it was su

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 09:31:26PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 04:21:33PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > What do you lose here? Those who have fonts that can display the > > character in question will be able to do so; those who don't won't, but > > will see some reasona

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 12:01:49PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 09:59, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote: > > > I am using KOI8-R terminal which can not display Latin-1 characters, and > > it seems backward to me to mandate or even allow _usage_ of UTF-8 ahead > > of getting it _suppo

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 04:21:33PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > What do you lose here? Those who have fonts that can display the > character in question will be able to do so; those who don't won't, but > will see some reasonably obvious indicator like a "?" or a filled-in > square to show that the

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-07 Thread Colin Walters
On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 13:43, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote: > I don't see it as a proper credit to your contributors if their name > appears as 'J?rg?n' (or even '' in case of Kanji) on my display. That's a problem with your display. > What I objected to is that they may: I'd rather they may not.

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-07 Thread Dmitry Borodaenko
On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 04:21:33PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: DB>> I am using KOI8-R terminal which can not display Latin-1 DB>> characters, CW> Where did Latin-1 come into this? I said characters, not encoding, and I mean that KOI8-R character set does not include characters from Latin-1. Ther

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-07 Thread Colin Walters
On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 09:59, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote: > I am using KOI8-R terminal which can not display Latin-1 characters, and > it seems backward to me to mandate or even allow _usage_ of UTF-8 ahead > of getting it _supported_ across the system. A growing amount of software in Debian has UTF

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-07 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 04:59:29PM +0300, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote: > On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 08:57:06PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > JR>> the only thing that will change is that if someone complains at > JR>> people who use UTF-8 in changelogs, a new retort will be > JR>> available, "THE POLICY

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-07 Thread Dmitry Borodaenko
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 08:57:06PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: JR>> the only thing that will change is that if someone complains at JR>> people who use UTF-8 in changelogs, a new retort will be JR>> available, "THE POLICY MADE ME DO IT!!1!", or similar. CW> Why would someone complain? I would

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-06 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 12:37, Bill Allombert wrote: > 1) Changelog are required to be written in english, so non 7bit > characters should be rare, and use of non latin-1 characters are > probably not a good idea. For example, writing the name of a > developer with japanese characters might cause

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 06:37:11PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 01:17:00PM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote: > > > I don't see all those (7|8)-bit-charset-using people requiring the > > > same... > > Policy would mean all of them in the same charset, UTF-8 that is. > The iss

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-06 Thread Bill Allombert
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 01:17:00PM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote: > > I don't see all those (7|8)-bit-charset-using people requiring the > > same... > > Policy would mean all of them in the same charset, UTF-8 that is. The issue call for two comments: 1) Changelog are required to be written in en

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-06 Thread Jérôme Marant
En réponse à Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 01:35:38PM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote: > > I've seen some UTF-8-encoded debian/changelog files but I haven't > > seen anything mentioning it is allowed in Debian Policy. > > > > According to #174982, the proposal has be

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-05 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 16:40, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 02:58:12PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > The problem is that we have no way to know what encoding an individual > > Debian Changelog entry is in. > > The problem is that my point entirely flew over your head. The point was

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 10:40:07PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 02:58:12PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > The problem is that we have no way to know what encoding an individual > > Debian Changelog entry is in. > The problem is that my point entirely flew over your head. Th

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-05 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 02:58:12PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > The problem is that we have no way to know what encoding an individual > Debian Changelog entry is in. The problem is that my point entirely flew over your head. The point was, as usual, that Policy is not designed to be a stick to b

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-05 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 08:23, Josip Rodin wrote: > Ahm. You need it written in the Policy manual to use a 16-bit charset? As Steve points out, the size of the code space isn't particularly relevant. > I don't see all those (7|8)-bit-charset-using people requiring the same... The problem is that

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 02:23:36PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 01:35:38PM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote: > > I've seen some UTF-8-encoded debian/changelog files but I haven't > > seen anything mentioning it is allowed in Debian Policy. > > > > According to #174982, the p

Re: Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-05 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 01:35:38PM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote: > I've seen some UTF-8-encoded debian/changelog files but I haven't > seen anything mentioning it is allowed in Debian Policy. > > According to #174982, the proposal has been accepted but the bug > is still open. When is this p

Status of UTF-8 Debian changelogs

2003-06-05 Thread Jérôme Marant
Hi, I've seen some UTF-8-encoded debian/changelog files but I haven't seen anything mentioning it is allowed in Debian Policy. According to #174982, the proposal has been accepted but the bug is still open. When is this planned for? Thanks. -- Jérôme Marant