Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-10-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Jason" == Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jason> No, you are confusing dpkg's goals with APT's high level goals, they are Jason> seperate. dpkg has no notion of a target state, it is just a dumb install Jason> tool, so it is making the best judgements it can, assuming something

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-30 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On 30 Sep 2000, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > But only in the interim, correct? After the installation > process is all done, the dependencies are all satisfied. During > installation dependencies are broken, yes. Unless I am mistaken, dpkg > tries to go from a state where the dependencies a

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Jason" == Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jason> On 30 Sep 2000, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Jason> (Reading the dpkg bug lists.. though perhaps it is busted - are we going Jason> to document bugs in dpkg in this manual? #2041) No. Wichert is taking over what once was the p

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-30 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On 30 Sep 2000, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Yet another version is up at > http://master.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/new-packaging.txt > Ummm, could you propose corrected wording, then? Are you > saying that pre depends and conflicts can now prevent a package being > on the system in an

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Yet another version is up at http://master.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/new-packaging.txt >>"Jason" == Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jason> AFIAK this is an error: Jason> All but `Pre-Depends' (discussed below) take effect Jason> _only_ when a package is to b

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joey> Um, I'm not talking about the parameters passed to the scripts or their Joey> ordering. I'm talking about asides documenting internal dpkg Joey> limitations, that should not be put into policy. I agree with you in principle. In t

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Adam" == Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Adam> Shouldn't the copyright be updated to something more current Adam> than 1996? The license is located at Adam> /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL, not in /usr/doc. The date has been updated, I'm updating the location. This is a

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-21 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Joey Hess wrote: > > > > Joey> think you should point to that RFC in that section BTW, even > > > Joey> though control file format varies from it in several ways. > > > > > > Color me puzzled. If we are so different from t

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-21 Thread Adam Heath
On 19 Sep 2000, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi folks, > > I have put an initial draft of the new package related policy > manual on http://master.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/new-packaging.txt. I > have tried to trim tis down to include only stuff I think ought to be > in policy, using the follo

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-21 Thread Joey Hess
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Joey> But my point is that this is an implementation detail. I can > Joey> envision systems that have no point of return, and can always > Joey> be rolled back (think journaling filesystems). > > I guess I do not agree. At this point, the details of > mainainer

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-21 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 2920T160536-0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > We're not really that different. The rfc allows any line to be wrapped, > > we do not. > > Erm, I'd consider any parser which does not allow this to be broken.. So would I, but since the spec says what it says, it allows people to write Build-De

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joey> But my point is that this is an implementation detail. I can Joey> envision systems that have no point of return, and can always Joey> be rolled back (think journaling filesystems). I guess I do not agree. At this point, the detai

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-20 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Joey Hess wrote: > I don't know about the actual code, but that's what the packaging manual > says and I've never actually seen anyone wrap eg, a depends line (though > I have a few I'd like to wrap..) I have, long ago, and I think I've encouraged people to do it.. Can't

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-20 Thread Joey Hess
Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > We're not really that different. The rfc allows any line to be wrapped, > > we do not. > > Erm, I'd consider any parser which does not allow this to be broken.. I don't know about the actual code, but that's what the packaging manual says and I've never actually seen an

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-20 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Joey Hess wrote: > > Joey> think you should point to that RFC in that section BTW, even > > Joey> though control file format varies from it in several ways. > > > > Color me puzzled. If we are so different from teh RFC, why > > should we mention it? > > We're not rea

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-20 Thread Joey Hess
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Joey> the line. Horizontal whitespace (spaces and tabs) may occur before or > Joey> after the value and is ignored there; it is conventional to put a > Joey> single space after the colon. > > Joey> Is the space before the colon truely optional? I expect > Joey>

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-20 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On 19 Sep 2000, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I have put an initial draft of the new package related policy > manual on http://master.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/new-packaging.txt. I > have tried to trim tis down to include only stuff I think ought to be AFIAK this is an error: All but `Pre

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Zed" == Zed Pobre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Zed> I think the confusion lies in the "Horizontal whitespace" line; Zed> whitespace before the colon is certainly whitespace before the value. Zed> To make it clearer, perhaps it should read "may occur immediately Zed> before or after the v

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joey> I've seen some typos and typographical errors but I won't Joey> bother to detail them at this point. I have now run the manual thriguh ispell, so things should be better. A new version resides, as usual, at the location: http://m

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-20 Thread Joey Hess
I've seen some typos and typographical errors but I won't bother to detail them at this point. Each paragraph is a series of fields and values; each field consists of a name, followed by a colon and the value. It ends at the end of the line. Horizontal whitespace (spaces and tabs)

New packaging manual draft

2000-09-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi folks, I have put an initial draft of the new package related policy manual on http://master.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/new-packaging.txt. I have tried to trim tis down to include only stuff I think ought to be in policy, using the following informal criteria: ---