Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Sam Hartman wrote: That seems very unlikely to me. Diversity is an important part of Debian. I think it is likely that the TC is going to value the Debian Menu as long as Bill or someone else is going to work on it. I would expect us to value the menu enough to

Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-24 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Charles" == Charles Plessy writes: Charles> I made efforts to keep the wording mild, but I think that Charles> it was an error. >> From your attiude as the lead person behind the Debian Menu, it >> is clear that Charles> it has no future. For one decade, you have taken

Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-23 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 02:12:31PM +0200, Bill Allombert a écrit : > > This is not the case. I made my position clear the first time in the bug log, > but one year later Charles decided to restart the discussion while ignoring > all > that was previously said. That made me angry and I have a poli

Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-23 Thread Bill Allombert
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 08:45:53AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Hi Sam, > > [side note: while I joined the original discussion, I don't really have > a stake in the outcome, other than the desire to have a working menu] > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 09:06:08AM +, Sam Hartman wrote: > > Shoul

Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Sam, [side note: while I joined the original discussion, I don't really have a stake in the outcome, other than the desire to have a working menu] On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 09:06:08AM +, Sam Hartman wrote: > Should Bill have recused? > Your current process does not describe when policy edito

Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-21 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Josselin" == Josselin Mouette writes: Josselin> Sam Hartman wrote: Bill, in his role Josselin> of policy editor said that he believed there was not a Josselin> consensus. He cited a specific set of messages that he Josselin> believes were not properly addressed. >> F

Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-20 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 20 juillet 2015 à 22:42 +0200, Bill Allombert a écrit : > This kind of language while customary of Sune and Josselin is inappropriate > and > rude to any people that have investigated significant time in maintaining > menu. Before complaining about the rudeness of other people’s languag

Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-20 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 09:50:21PM +0200, Sune Vuorela wrote: > The debian menu is de facto dead; it is time to put it out of its misery. This kind of language while customary of Sune and Josselin is inappropriate and rude to any people that have investigated significant time in maintaining menu.

Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-20 Thread Sune Vuorela
On Monday 20 July 2015 17:14:03 Josselin Mouette wrote: > Bill used his position as a policy editor to reject a change, not > because it was against consensus or against the policy process, but > because it was against his own opinion. Not as policy editor, but as > menu maintainer. > > This is th

Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-20 Thread Josselin Mouette
Sam Hartman wrote: Bill, in his role of policy editor said that he believed there was not a consensus. He cited a specific set of messages that he believes were not properly addressed. >From the beginning, I have been puzzled by your approach to this issue. With this par

Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-20 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 03:06:27AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Wasting people's hard work, and then using a lack of reply to an extra > round of nitpicking as an excuse for having wasted the whole lot? The only hard work here is maintaining the menu system for ten years. Cheers, -- Bill. I

Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-18 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Sam Hartman (2015-07-18): > > "Bill" == Bill Allombert writes: > > Bill> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:08:04PM +, Sam Hartman wrote: > >> In March of 2014, Charles Plessy asked the Debian Technical > >> Committee to review one of the policy editors decisions to revert > >> c