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s compared to the that of an epoch if it were used.
In this particular instance, it is not obvious whether a package
will spend most of its life as MMDD or X.Y until that switch
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to
rule out aliases/functions/builtins since when invoke-rc.d is
actually run those things will all be considered by the shell.
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ckage was previously configured, this will allow packages declaring
pre-dependencies on adduser to run their preinsts even though
the new passwd is not yet available, rendering adduser useless.
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> apparently only change things not affecting that particular
> operation.
Can you really guarantee that this will be the case in future?
Remember when perl broke during the libdb upgrade?
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adduser's dependencies into pre-dependencies, and probably most of
the things it depends on as well.
You also need to ensure that adduser and anything that it depends on to
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Objection. There is no way to create any user in preinst as the tool
to do so is not in an essential package.
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exist is given, but it only tests if the file exists, not if it is
> executable.
There is no point in test executability since the test is meant to
determine whether the package has been removed or not.
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>
> Thanks. Could you point me to where the correct behavior is specified?
Penultimate sentence before section 2.9.1.1.
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able assignments. To wit:
>
> bash$ FOO=$(false) || echo failed
> failed
>
> dash$ FOO=$(false) && echo worked
> worked
This is definitely a (recent) bug in dash.
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one single tarball
> instead of .orig.tar.gz + diff. Native debian packages are listed as
> typical example for that, but I don't see noted that other packages are
> not allowed to be packaged that way.
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don't want to see it can simply delete the symlink.
They would get a warning from man of course, but that should be easy
to special case in man(1).
Personally I think the manual page would be useful to users new
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ing of POSIX
> incompatibilities.
It seems that posh has removed all XSI extensions. The current policy
document does not explicitly state that. I do not think that there is
a concensus about whether XSI extensions should be disallowed.
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slashes. All SYSV shells behaved like
printf "%b\n" "$*"
This includes pdksh.
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> | Write the alias definition to standard output.
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> [...]
ls=foo
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alias ls=foo
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In the case of command -v, the alias prefix is required.
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o the extra new line that ash outputs after an alias?
If so that is indeed incorrect and will be fixed.
> > More details please.
>
> "%s=%s\n", name, value
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the options -a and -o, as well as parentheses for the
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nothing against keeping the echo -n clause.
> The other problem, then, is that we will have a situation wherein no shell
> in Debian would be suitable as /bin/sh (unless I'm assuming incorrectly
> about pdksh).
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Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Herbert Xu wrote:
>> I object. Until versioned provides work reliably, doing this prevents
>> any use of versioned dependencies on such packages which may come back
>> to haunt us.
> If something needs to declare a versione
be an abbreviated version, and the longer name put in the Provides
>field.
I object. Until versioned provides work reliably, doing this prevents
any use of versioned dependencies on such packages which may come back
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package should call ldconfig in the
> + postrm script if the first argument is
> + remove. The maintainer scripts must not invoke
> + ldconfig under any circumstances other than those
> + described in this paragraph.
>
>
>
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>> BTW, what is it with all the Steves in this thread? :)
> Is your problem that there are so many of us, or that we seem to be
> excessively dim
nfusing.
> It seems neither to me. The fact that a lot of maintainers are likely
Agreed. If someone can turn that into a diff, I will second it.
BTW, what is it with all the Steves in this thread? :)
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> On 05-Sep-01, 16:52 (CDT), Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Vociferous Mole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> > So? Isn't it a bug? This isn't a case of a policy change creating a bug,
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On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 08:53:20PM -0400, Steve M. Robbins wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 06:52:55PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
>
> Would there be a problem with enshrining this with the following
> policy simplification?
Nope. It still has the same problem, i.e., all packages si
a bucket load of RC
bugs for no good reason.
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> ...or an "echo". Seconded.
Better make that a printf :)
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t; Please see the original proposal: the problem was precisely that there
> were situations where these directories were not in the PATH and this
> broke the scripts.
Only because the user's system was misconfigured...
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in and /usr/sbin to the PATH variable, then the default behaviour of
dpkg where it fails if things like start-stop-daemon isn't found in a
PATH search would stand out like sore thumb.
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example, if the script didn't set PATH, I could put /usr/local/sbin in
front of it to override start-stop-daemon. This simply isn't possible if
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ner speak
> for himself :-)
I won't bitch as long as there is nothing on my system that uses it, or
at least as long as I don't know about it :)
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Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 09:20:48AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
>> Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > and neither is libc6 because some parts of it can only be linked
>> > statically.
>>
>
y this also applies to the version-in-name problems
> seen above (don't ask me wtf libgtrans is up to).
Although the kernels aren't shared libraries, they are in the same boat
and hyphens have been used there since very early on, e.g., we have
kernel-source-2.4.5.
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> Previously Herbert Xu wrote:
> > Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > and neither is libc6 because some parts of it can only be linked
> > > statically.
> >
> > Which o
he fragile base
> class problem, or the effect of certain forms of name mangeling).
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hat you're referring to aren't .a's then this section
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> Arabic and hebrew have problem of being written right-to-left,
> and therefore they cannot be easily supported, unicode or not.
That's a display issue, not an encoding one.
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nd the
first action merely adds an stat if the symlink exists.
If this is not how ldconfig works currently, then it should be fixed.
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x27;m open to suggestions.
I object most strongly. The only reason why things like POSIX exists is
because in general there is no consensus.
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> they depend on it implicitely...
Nope. It will truly be essential without actually being marked essnetial
as an essential package depends on it. So this actually avoids the need
for explicit dependencies.
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ing all of the editors,
> they'll know how to fix it by adding back some editors. This isn't
> fool-proof, but so what?
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Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 10:38:09AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
>> I'm not talking about editing config files here. I'm more interested in
>> programs that invoke /usr/bin/editor.
> Well, see Policy section 12.4. "Edi
Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 09:07:30AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
>> >>From a package dependency point of view, almost essential is a world away
>> from actually being essential.
> Packages can assume that the user has means o
Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 11:04:14PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
>>
>> The comparison breaks down as there isn't an editor which is actually
>> essential.
> Yes, but _an_ editor is almost essential. Well, it's essential
or which is actually
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ld-time dependencies aren't just for buildd's. Humans need them too.
I wouldn't like to have to compile a package and fail near the very end just
because it hasn't declared a proper versioned build-depends on debhelper.
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Which I
don't think is the case here.
> Anyways, I can fix this, but don't expect it to happen soon. This is
> not the only variable that's used by Mesa.
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accomodations for
you. This is what compatibility is all about. If a library changes its
ABI, then it must change its soname (or at least their package name) so it
doesn't break old binaries. Other things should also act accordingly.
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> On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:42:57PM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote:
>
> > Any libraries which change the ABI without changing the soname is buggy,
> > period.
>
> Agreed. However, uploading to "stable uns
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 04:51:06PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 08:42:16AM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote:
>
> > Are you saying that packages compiled against old libc6-dev packages are
> > not guarranteed to work with a new libc6? Well, better tell that to all
&
ust because the
> problems don't affect a few possibilities, does not give merit to
> allowing such things, it just means they don't have problems. Nothing
> good comes from doing a stable/unstable upload.
The problem is that the bad things which come from it are not due to the
fa
you need to override this check for nonfree packages since they
may not have source.
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d be discussing what technical merits
there are in these uploads, but what technical merits exist in disallowing
them as I haven't seen any of those which are valid either.
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On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 03:58:44PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 07:31:18AM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote:
>
> > And as I said in my previous message, for libraries with the soname
> > (like glibc), you do want to test it against old -dev packages to ensure
> &
compiles that they know will come out to be the same.
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u do want to test it against old -dev packages to ensure
binary compatibility.
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o both stable and unstable
for reasons such as policy disparity, library compatibility, then yes this
is what should be done. But that's what we've been doing anyway. Except
of course that the version number is 1.0-1potato.1 (replace potato with the
name of the current stable distri
precedence.
Not necessarily, this is what I did in telnetd:
if [ -z "$(dpkg-statoverride --list /usr/lib/telnetlogin)" ]; then
chown root.telnetd /usr/lib/telnetlogin
chmod 4754 /usr/lib/telnetlogin
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ng present.
Is this just "postrm purge" or all invocations of postrm? If the latter,
then surely some forms of prerm can't assume dependencies either?
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> Herbert Xu wrote:
> > When did this (postinst can only call ldconfig if $1 = configure) become
> > policy? Not only is this pointless, it also means that a lot of packages are
> > now in violation of this policy. I
call `ldconfig' in
When did this (postinst can only call ldconfig if $1 = configure) become
policy? Not only is this pointless, it also means that a lot of packages are
now in violation of this policy. I propose that the "and only if" phrase be
removed from the above sentence.
ll remove
that provides in the next release.
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k when it is no longer
> required? Does ldconfig do that?
ldconfig doesn't. But it isn't that hard to remove dangling symlinks
in those directories, be it by ldconfig or some other utility.
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On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 01:13:44PM +1100, Brian May wrote:
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> As such, I recommend that we change this bug title to:
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> "dynamic creation of libx.so.n"
Sorry, but this has been solved ages ago in ldconfig :)
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certainly technically possible since the Debian BTS is a totally
open system.
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significantly more conventient for upstream
You wouldn't have to do that if your downstream maintainer were doing his
job properly and forwarding the bugs to you.
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> library.
If you've got both foo 2.0 and foo 2.1 installed, ldconfig will symlink
foo 2.1 it to foo.so.2 which is exactly what you want.
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Marcelo E. Magallon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > and allow shlibs with different minor version numbers to be installed
> > together by encoding it into the package name. Of course, we'll have
> > to man
easy to figure out what -L flags were used during the compile and hence find
the correct .so file.
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namically as well.
This would require changing how dpkg-shlibdeps works though.
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or even better, a directive that actually queries the status of a package.
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ter in this section, the value of the variable should
> be /usr/bin/install. If it is set to a non-absolute path, configure will add
> dots in subdirectories to refer to the top-level command, and then calls to
Well let's fix autoconf then.
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east,
they'll have to conflict for now.
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it.
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Chris Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> names: ftp-server, not ftpd, or c-compiler, not cc. I'd rather have
> the virtual package be named system-log-daemon. Just a suggestion.
Personally I prefer syslog-daemon.
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On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 09:28:35PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 01:25:06PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote:
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> > after uninstalling both fingerd and cfingerd my /etc/inetd.conf contains:
> > #:INFO: Info services
> > finger stream tcp
stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd
> /usr/sbin/cfingerd
This is broken. You should never have anything commented out with ##
unless the package in question is in an unconfingured state.
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h an error because of false
> arguments, it just silently ignores it and continue.
Wrong. the argument to --remove is the pattern.
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