Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-20 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 20 juillet 2015 à 22:42 +0200, Bill Allombert a écrit : > This kind of language while customary of Sune and Josselin is inappropriate > and > rude to any people that have investigated significant time in maintaining > menu. Before complaining about the rudeness of other people’s languag

Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-20 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 09:50:21PM +0200, Sune Vuorela wrote: > The debian menu is de facto dead; it is time to put it out of its misery. This kind of language while customary of Sune and Josselin is inappropriate and rude to any people that have investigated significant time in maintaining menu.

Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-20 Thread Sune Vuorela
On Monday 20 July 2015 17:14:03 Josselin Mouette wrote: > Bill used his position as a policy editor to reject a change, not > because it was against consensus or against the policy process, but > because it was against his own opinion. Not as policy editor, but as > menu maintainer. > > This is th

Re: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Bill Allombert writes: > On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 09:39:50PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: >> I think that what you wrote does not reflect what happened: >> >> - Russ gave me the green light for committing the changes, see >>. >>

Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-20 Thread Josselin Mouette
Sam Hartman wrote: Bill, in his role of policy editor said that he believed there was not a consensus. He cited a specific set of messages that he believes were not properly addressed. >From the beginning, I have been puzzled by your approach to this issue. With this par

Re: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-20 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 09:39:50PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 08:05:56AM +, Sam Hartman a écrit : > > > > Bill, in his role of policy editor said that he believed there was not a > > consensus. > > Hi Sam, > > I think that what you wrote does not reflect what happ

Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-20 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 03:06:27AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Wasting people's hard work, and then using a lack of reply to an extra > round of nitpicking as an excuse for having wasted the whole lot? The only hard work here is maintaining the menu system for ten years. Cheers, -- Bill. I