Re: Phoning home

2008-02-24 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On su, 2008-02-24 at 17:05 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Ian's original wording deals with more edge cases, such as apt's > sources.list (which is not turned off by default, at least by definitions > of default that I'm comfortable with). That's true, and I think Ian's right. I don't, however, cons

Re: Phoning home

2008-02-24 Thread Raphael Geissert
David Nusinow wrote: > On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 07:44:53PM -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote: >> >> The problem I see here is that admin != user in all the situations. >> IMO it should ask, or at least warn, the user and not the admin. >> Because in the end is the user's privacy the one affected, not t

Re: Phoning home

2008-02-24 Thread David Nusinow
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 07:44:53PM -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote: > David Nusinow wrote: > > > > Yes please! I think this sort of thing could be an acceptable use of > > debconf (preferrably at a low priority), so that users who want to > > participate can. > > The problem I see here is that adm

Re: Phoning home

2008-02-24 Thread Raphael Geissert
David Nusinow wrote: > > Yes please! I think this sort of thing could be an acceptable use of > debconf (preferrably at a low priority), so that users who want to > participate can. The problem I see here is that admin != user in all the situations. IMO it should ask, or at least warn, the user

Re: Phoning home

2008-02-24 Thread Russ Allbery
Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On su, 2008-02-24 at 16:43 -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote: >> * The package/software SHOULD offer a way to disable the 'phoning home' >> code if it contains such kind of 'feature'. > Speaking as a human being, I would suggest that Debian policy should b

Re: Phoning home

2008-02-24 Thread David Nusinow
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 01:05:32AM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On su, 2008-02-24 at 16:43 -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote: > > * The package/software SHOULD offer a way to disable the 'phoning home' code > > if it contains such kind of 'feature'. > > Speaking as a human being, I would suggest tha

Re: Phoning home

2008-02-24 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On su, 2008-02-24 at 16:43 -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote: > * The package/software SHOULD offer a way to disable the 'phoning home' code > if it contains such kind of 'feature'. Speaking as a human being, I would suggest that Debian policy should be that all "phoning home" MUST be enabled explicit

Re: Phoning home

2008-02-24 Thread Raphael Geissert
Hello Ian, Ian Jackson wrote: > * Software in Debian should not communicate over the network except >- in order to, and as necessary to, perform their function > (which includes the established Debian software update > distribution infrastructure); or >- for other purposes with

Re: Phoning home

2008-02-24 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Sun, 2008-02-24 at 13:54 +, Ian Jackson wrote: > I'm involved in sponsoring a proogram (meshlab, ITP #426581) where > I've discovered that it phones home with statistical information about > the files being used, and so forth. I'm working with upstream and > with the prospective maintainer

Bug#465140: debian-policy: clarify when to use alternatives

2008-02-24 Thread David Paleino
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:01:36 +, Ian Jackson wrote: > David Paleino writes ("Re: Bug#465140: debian-policy: clarify when to use > alternatives"): > > On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:49:48 +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > > I think neither program should be using the general word `translate'. > > > > In fa

Bug#465140: debian-policy: clarify when to use alternatives

2008-02-24 Thread Ian Jackson
David Paleino writes ("Re: Bug#465140: debian-policy: clarify when to use alternatives"): > On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:49:48 +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > I think neither program should be using the general word `translate'. > > In fact I've renamed my program "ntranslate" (I've contacted the > autho

Re: Phoning home

2008-02-24 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 01:54:11PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > I think therefore that we should add some statement to policy about > phoning home. Agreed. > As a starting point: > > * Software in Debian should not communicate over the network except >- in order to, and as necessary to, perf

Bug#465140: debian-policy: clarify when to use alternatives

2008-02-24 Thread Ian Jackson
David Paleino writes ("Bug#465140: debian-policy: clarify when to use alternatives"): > translate [-niwvh] [-l languages] [words to translate] ... > ntranslate {-? | -v | --list-services} > ntranslate [-s SERVICES] [-f LANG] [-t LANG] -l > ntranslate [-s SERVICES] [-f LANG] [-t LANG] {HTTP_U

Bug#465140: debian-policy: clarify when to use alternatives

2008-02-24 Thread David Paleino
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:49:48 +, Ian Jackson wrote: > David Paleino writes ("Bug#465140: debian-policy: clarify when to use > alternatives"): > > translate [-niwvh] [-l languages] [words to translate] > ... > > ntranslate {-? | -v | --list-services} > > ntranslate [-s SERVICES] [-f LANG] [-

Phoning home

2008-02-24 Thread Ian Jackson
I'm involved in sponsoring a proogram (meshlab, ITP #426581) where I've discovered that it phones home with statistical information about the files being used, and so forth. I'm working with upstream and with the prospective maintainer to resolve this and I don't think there will be any difficulty