Re: suid binaries should not be writable by owner

2001-02-06 Thread Brian May
> "s" == s Lichtmaier writes: s> It's tricky... capabilities don't fix this. I was considering the case where setuid root may not be required because capabilities could be used instead. s> And I know nothing about ACL's on UNIX systems. It must be s> something like "these user

Re: suid binaries should not be writable by owner

2001-02-06 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
> s> A better design would have been having the file to have a > s> second UID/GID. > > s> So, a file could be owned by root, but setuid man. > > ACLs and capabilities are probably two very different solutions to > this problem. > > (...depends on how they are implemented). It's

Re: suid binaries should not be writable by owner

2001-02-06 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Feb 07, Nicol?s Lichtmaier wrote: > > > Argh, egg on face: linux lets the owner of a file modify it even if it > > > is mode 444 and in a directory they do not own. Yuck! Is this standard > > > unix semantics? It sucks. > > Even worse: IIRC the owner of a file can chmod it to his or her > > hear

Re: suid binaries should not be writable by owner

2001-02-06 Thread Brian May
> "s" == s Lichtmaier writes: s> A better design would have been having the file to have a s> second UID/GID. s> So, a file could be owned by root, but setuid man. ACLs and capabilities are probably two very different solutions to this problem. (...depends on how they are im

Re: suid binaries should not be writable by owner

2001-02-06 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
> > Argh, egg on face: linux lets the owner of a file modify it even if it > > is mode 444 and in a directory they do not own. Yuck! Is this standard > > unix semantics? It sucks. > Even worse: IIRC the owner of a file can chmod it to his or her > heart's content, and this is standard Unix semantic

Re: Incorporating packaging manual in policy

2001-02-06 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I had already talked to Wichert about this before uploading > the policy with packaging aspects subsumed, and he took over the > packaging manuals dpkg documentation role. (Correct me I I > mis remember, Wichert). Correct. > So I suspect that t

Bug#81852: Info received (was second)

2001-02-06 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding this problem report. It has been forwarded to the developer(s) and to the developers mailing list to accompany the original report. Your message has been sent to the package maintainer(s): Debian Policy List If you wish to co

Bug#81852: second

2001-02-06 Thread lamont
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I second Wichert's proposal to allow DFSG-free crypto into the main distribution. lamont -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6gJB39qtJ0yRhi/YRAtDMAJ4o9qrsE3919tykh5pwG/mwEI

Re: FHS, netscape and Dan Bernstein

2001-02-06 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Raul Miller wrote: > > Please see: http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 10:27:47AM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: > The holes in that page are so large you could drive fleets of roadtrains > through them. I'm disregarding this as a troll. > I refer specif

Re: FHS, netscape and Dan Bernstein

2001-02-06 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Raul Miller wrote: > Please see: http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html The holes in that page are so large you could drive fleets of roadtrains through them. I refer specifically to "you own that copy of the software", which implies that you own that copy, and are free to do what

Re: Incorporating packaging manual in policy

2001-02-06 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Julian" == Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Julian> But now we have a little problem: there is this "orphaned" package: Julian> packaging-manual, which appears to no longer be generated from any Julian> binary package. So should we now hand it over to the dpkg team, and Julian> up

Re: FHS, netscape and Dan Bernstein

2001-02-06 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Chris" == Chris Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Chris> \begin{sophistry} Chris> Since non-free isn't part of Debian-the-distribution, is it really Chris> subject to policy? Sure, it'd be nice if the stuff in there followed Chris> policy, but since it's not Debian who cares. Chris> \e

Re: FHS, netscape and Dan Bernstein

2001-02-06 Thread John Galt
Are we talking djbdns? Then there's also the security issue to deal with. Bind's full of holes, and we can't reliably state that Debian will be "in the loop" on Vixie's 'leet fix0rs list. Right now, dismissing out of hand ANY bind alternative cannot be done in good conscience. Historically, it

Re: FHS, netscape and Dan Bernstein

2001-02-06 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 11:39:22AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > For inclusion in non-free, which is more significant: access to source > > code or 100% FHS compliance? On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 11:44:52AM -0800, Chris Waters wrote: > The latter. But note that non-free is not part of Debian. Ok.

Re: FHS, netscape and Dan Bernstein

2001-02-06 Thread Chris Waters
On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 11:39:22AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > For inclusion in non-free, which is more significant: access to source > code or 100% FHS compliance? The latter. But note that non-free is not part of Debian. Also, see http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq#djb -- Chris Waters |

Re: FHS, netscape and Dan Bernstein

2001-02-06 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Feb 06, Raul Miller wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 11:39:22AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > For inclusion in non-free, which is more significant: access to source > > code or 100% FHS compliance? > > A further comment (from Paul Jarc): > > The FHS says: "The /usr/local hierarchy is for use

Re: FHS, netscape and Dan Bernstein

2001-02-06 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 11:39:22AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > For inclusion in non-free, which is more significant: access to source > code or 100% FHS compliance? A further comment (from Paul Jarc): The FHS says: "The /usr/local hierarchy is for use by the system administrator when installi

FHS, netscape and Dan Bernstein

2001-02-06 Thread Raul Miller
Please see: http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html For inclusion in non-free, which is more significant: access to source code or 100% FHS compliance? Thanks, -- Raul

Bug#81852: seconded

2001-02-06 Thread Bdale Garbee
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I second the proposal to allow DFSG free crypto programs into the main archive. Bdale -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6gCFiZKfAp/LPAagRAvbMAJ9Bz0w/FLhDJ/vHUowgckB5Myf8

Incorporating packaging manual in policy

2001-02-06 Thread Julian Gilbey
Hello Manoj and all! Firstly, well done on incorporating the packaging-policy stuff into policy. Great work! But now we have a little problem: there is this "orphaned" package: packaging-manual, which appears to no longer be generated from any binary package. So should we now hand it over to th

Re: suid binaries should not be writable by owner

2001-02-06 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 09:41:00PM -0600, Chris Lawrence wrote: > On Feb 05, Joey Hess wrote: > > Argh, egg on face: linux lets the owner of a file modify it even if it > > is mode 444 and in a directory they do not own. Yuck! Is this standard > > unix semantics? It sucks. > > Even worse: IIRC the

CVS jdg: Correct "=3D" -> "="

2001-02-06 Thread debian-policy
CVSROOT:/cvs/debian-policy Module name:debian-policy Changes by: jdg Tue Feb 6 06:56:29 PST 2001 Modified files: . : README.shlibdeps Log message: Correct "=3D" -> "="

Re: Directing Debian users to use project BTSes - should we?

2001-02-06 Thread John Galt
On Sun, 4 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >I think that Debian has more opportunity to deal with this than any >commercial entity since the workers are unpaid. Just start a recruiting >drive to get more people who will help with some of the non-programming >chores. At the current salary rate