Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-21 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Joey Hess wrote: > > > > Joey> think you should point to that RFC in that section BTW, even > > > Joey> though control file format varies from it in several ways. > > > > > > Color me puzzled. If we are so different from t

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-21 Thread Adam Heath
On 19 Sep 2000, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi folks, > > I have put an initial draft of the new package related policy > manual on http://master.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/new-packaging.txt. I > have tried to trim tis down to include only stuff I think ought to be > in policy, using the follo

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-21 Thread Joey Hess
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Joey> But my point is that this is an implementation detail. I can > Joey> envision systems that have no point of return, and can always > Joey> be rolled back (think journaling filesystems). > > I guess I do not agree. At this point, the details of > mainainer

Re: Preparing Debian for using capabilities: file ownership.

2000-09-21 Thread Joey Hess
Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Sep 21, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Using an existing group like bin could cause problems. It's possible > >systems exist that have users in the bin group and don't expect them to > >suddenly be able to edit every file on the system. (What is the bin > I d

Re: Preparing Debian for using capabilities: file ownership.

2000-09-21 Thread Joey Hess
Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > Don't forget that joeyh has the biggest harddrive of the world. He must > have, because he has a maximum number of Debian packages installed. > > (Joey, what is the maximum number of Debian packages you can install without > having a conflict?) Bah. Bah I say. [EMAIL PR

Re: Preparing Debian for using capabilities: file ownership.

2000-09-21 Thread Steve Greenland
On 20-Sep-00, 23:29 (CDT), Nicol?s Lichtmaier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [Manoj wrote:] > > Umm, before we start proposing this, we should ahve a pilot > > project, and have a few machines, including some running servers, > > that run like this, and see what breaks. We can then rty changing

Re: Preparing Debian for using capabilities: file ownership.

2000-09-21 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 21, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Using an existing group like bin could cause problems. It's possible >systems exist that have users in the bin group and don't expect them to >suddenly be able to edit every file on the system. (What is the bin I don't agree. Being the owner of s

Re: Preparing Debian for using capabilities: file ownership.

2000-09-21 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote: > It seems that in order to take full advantage of capabilities, files should > not be owned by root. Files should be owned by a non-login user (e.g. bin). I don't believe that is true at all. Can you explain why you think that would be advantageous? > That'

Re: Preparing Debian for using capabilities: file ownership.

2000-09-21 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 09:57:34PM +1100, Brendan O'Dea wrote: > On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 01:43:52AM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > >Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote: > >> It should be: > >> > >> -rwxr-xr-x1 bin bin 42300 jul 29 13:26 /bin/ls* > >> > >Using an existing group like bin could ca

Re: New packaging manual draft

2000-09-21 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 2920T160536-0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > We're not really that different. The rfc allows any line to be wrapped, > > we do not. > > Erm, I'd consider any parser which does not allow this to be broken.. So would I, but since the spec says what it says, it allows people to write Build-De

Re: Preparing Debian for using capabilities: file ownership.

2000-09-21 Thread Brendan O'Dea
On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 01:43:52AM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: >Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote: >> It should be: >> >> -rwxr-xr-x1 bin bin 42300 jul 29 13:26 /bin/ls* >> >Using an existing group like bin could cause problems. It's possible >systems exist that have users in the bin group a

Re: Preparing Debian for using capabilities: file ownership.

2000-09-21 Thread Joey Hess
Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote: > It should be: > > -rwxr-xr-x1 bin bin 42300 jul 29 13:26 /bin/ls* > > That's because root will be just another user, with its set of > capabilities, and you may like to prevent him from altering system files. > As this is a major change, we'd better