Re: PROPOSAL: complete list of documentation files, "man ", all man pages refer to said doc list in "See Also" section

2000-05-23 Thread Joey Hess
Jules Bean wrote: > Agreed. > > On the other hand, I can't believe it's more than a ten minute change > to fix it. And we're not short of C programmers round here... [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>dpkg -l | grep kernel ii autofs 3.1.4-4 A kernel-based au

Re: PROPOSAL: complete list of documentation files, "man ", all man pages refer to said doc list in "See Also" section

2000-05-23 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 03:14:55PM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > I had thought of that one, and I agree with your evaluation of its > > significance. You see, dpkg -l gives 14 columns of package name in an > > 80-column terminal, so you would see: > > > > debian-doc > > debian-packagi > > d

Re: PROPOSAL: complete list of documentation files, "man ", all man pages refer to said doc list in "See Also" section

2000-05-23 Thread Jules Bean
On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 08:12:21AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 07:14:47PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > I had thought of that one, and I agree with your evaluation of its > > significance. You see, dpkg -l gives 14 columns of package name in an > > 80-column terminal,

Re: PROPOSAL: complete list of documentation files, "man ", all man pages refer to said doc list in "See Also" section

2000-05-23 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 07:14:47PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > I had thought of that one, and I agree with your evaluation of its > significance. You see, dpkg -l gives 14 columns of package name in an > 80-column terminal, so you would see: dpkg -l is (IMHO) very frustrating. Just when you wan

Re: PROPOSAL: complete list of documentation files, "man ", all man pages refer to said doc list in "See Also" section

2000-05-23 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Julian Gilbey wrote: > On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 05:11:45PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > > On Tue, 23 May 2000, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > > > > Is there a really good reason why we shouldn't have long package names? > > > > dpkg -l, but this is not a really good reason :-) > > I had thought of t

Re: PROPOSAL: complete list of documentation files, "man ", all man pages refer to said doc list in "See Also" section

2000-05-23 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 05:11:45PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > On Tue, 23 May 2000, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > > Is there a really good reason why we shouldn't have long package names? > > dpkg -l, but this is not a really good reason :-) I had thought of that one, and I agree with your evaluati

Re: of virtual packages and services

2000-05-23 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 02:03:07AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 05:15:33PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > > For this, there should be some central authority deciding about > > /etc/inetd.conf. update-inetd is a good try, but not complete enough > > Something more like upda

Bug#64437: PROPOSED] Must/Should/May in policy

2000-05-23 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 01:07:12AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > Every time you put more than one shell command (this > > > includes using a loop) in a makefile command you > > > - must make sure that errors are trapped. For > > > + should make sure that errors are trapped.

Re: of virtual packages and services

2000-05-23 Thread Ben Collins
> > and then (analogous to update-alternatives), it uncomments one of > > remaining daemons (if any) providing this service > > Hrm. Using its own database like update-alternatives, or comments in > /etc/inetd.conf, or...? Is update-alternatives really the example to > follow here? I suppose it ma

Re: of virtual packages and services

2000-05-23 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 05:15:33PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > For this, there should be some central authority deciding about > /etc/inetd.conf. update-inetd is a good try, but not complete enough > Something more like update-alternatives could work. update-inetd is just buggy (in design, if

Re: Finger daemons in Debian should use a virtual package

2000-05-23 Thread Clint Adams
> The same should probably be done for every package which installs daemons > which listen on a well known port. Why don't we talk about solving the problem of not having a mechanism to manage network services instead of trying to make the Conflicts situation worse?

Bug#64437: PROPOSED] Must/Should/May in policy

2000-05-23 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 04:13:30PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > This I second... but the diff itself still has a few issues. > > @@ -1046,12 +1065,12 @@ > > > > Every time you put more than one shell command (this > > includes using a loop) in a makefile command you > > -

Re: PROPOSAL: complete list of documentation files, "man ", all man pages refer to said doc list in "See Also" section

2000-05-23 Thread Santiago Vila
On Tue, 23 May 2000, Julian Gilbey wrote: > Is there a really good reason why we shouldn't have long package names? dpkg -l, but this is not a really good reason :-)

Re: of virtual packages and services

2000-05-23 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 12:23:00PM -0400, Ben Collins wrote: > Just a thought on the fingerd thread. What about having a general policy > for network services in that perform a function. Basically it would say > something like: > > A package which provides a network service can opt to Provid

Bug#64437: PROPOSED] Must/Should/May in policy

2000-05-23 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, May 21, 2000 at 07:01:57PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > Since there don't seem to be any objections to the principle of this, > I'd like to formally propose that we clarify the significance of the > various policy guidelines with more precise musts and shoulds. This I second... but the di

Bug#64516: debian-policy: Typo: 1744s/tty/ttyS/

2000-05-23 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 10:05:30PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Package: debian-policy > Version: 3.1.1.1 > > The line "Debian uses the serial device /dev/tty" should read > "Debian uses the serial device /dev/ttyS". Yup, it should. Will fix. Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Re: PROPOSAL: complete list of documentation files, "man ", all man pages refer to said doc list in "See Also" section

2000-05-23 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 01:28:05PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > > I've long wanted to see that! The primary packages I'd like to see > > change their names are: > > packaging-manual, developers-reference, maint-guide, doc-debian > > To debian-packaging-manual, debian-developers-reference, debian-m

Re: PROPOSAL: complete list of documentation files, "man ", all man pages refer to said doc list in "See Also" section

2000-05-23 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 02:30:04PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > | Is there any naming convention for debian-specific documentation > > | packages? I would have expected such things to be called debian-blah, > > | similar to debian-policy. > > > > What do folks think? > > I've long wanted to s

Re: Finger daemons in Debian should use a virtual package

2000-05-23 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 02:35:40AM -0400, Mike Bilow wrote: > If seems to me that what is wanted here is a "superfinger" daemon, a sort > of mini-inetd. More likely, we need a new update-inetd that actually handles these sorts of situations elegantly. This probably isn't that hard a job, but it's

Re: Finger daemons in Debian should use a virtual package

2000-05-23 Thread Mike Bilow
If seems to me that what is wanted here is a "superfinger" daemon, a sort of mini-inetd. It would accept the connection from inetd, make a decision based upon some set of system or per-user configuration files as to which finger daemon should be spawned, and then hand the connection to the appropr

Re: PROPOSAL: complete list of documentation files, "man ", all man pages refer to said doc list in "See Also" section

2000-05-23 Thread Mike Bilow
It seems pointless, in my opinion, to put information common to all packages into the man page of each. This is like requiring all car license tags to say "car" on them. Well, we already KNOW that much. (As an aside, ISBNs do not come from the Library of Congress, but actually come from the for-