Re: Editor and sensible-editor

1999-06-15 Thread Brock Rozen
On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 at 02:29, Chris Lawrence wrote about "Re: Editor and...": > That and the "local modification" business is a bit goofy; perhaps > they should consider a "you modify it, you change the name" policy > (i.e. you can't call a modified Pine "UW Pine" or "UW PC/Pine"). That > would a

non-free suggestions again (was Re: weekly policy summary)

1999-06-15 Thread Chris Waters
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>"Chris" == Chris Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Chris> Note that the common element of both proposals is that > Chris> someone who has non-free packages in her package list will > Chris> see them, and someone who doesn't won't. This reall

Re: Bug#39463,#39482,#39493: timidity, cdrdao, cdtool has no manpage for something

1999-06-15 Thread Chris Waters
Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was referring to the sentence underlined > by Roland, which means that you can't make a symlink to > undocumented(7) unless there is a bug report. The reason for that is that the undocumented(7) page says that a bug rep

Re: weekly policy summary

1999-06-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, [I should be breaking out my absestos suit now, I guess] >>"Chris" == Chris Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Chris> Note that the common element of both proposals is that someone who has Chris> non-free packages in her package list will see them, and someone who Chris> d

Re: Editor and sensible-editor

1999-06-15 Thread Joseph Carter
On Tue, Jun 15, 1999 at 10:05:44AM +0300, Brock Rozen wrote: > > pico is non-free, so I see no reason to hinge a decision on whether > > something > > in debian supports something thats non-free. > > To clear up any confusion, the Pine (as such, pico; I believe) license has > changed and that mig

Re: Bug#39463,#39482,#39493: timidity, cdrdao, cdtool has no manpage for something

1999-06-15 Thread Jim Lynch
Hi, O... OK :) So you don't want to not document things... whew :) I apologise for the outburst. It might happen again tho, I'm something of a loose cannon sometimes :) Yes, I can explain, I think. I believe the idea is this: the symlink to undocumented* should exist, if and only if

Re: Bug#39463,#39482,#39493: timidity, cdrdao, cdtool has no manpage for something

1999-06-15 Thread Jim Lynch
> Try this one-liner (that places a manifest in each pkg dir off /usr/doc of all files in said pkg) Hi Davide, Hot :) Thanks :) That could help people... And THAT -will- help debian! We could modify it so it would place a manifest only in dirs queried, and make a command that queries, caches the

Re: Confusion about Libtool archive (*.la) files in -dev' packages

1999-06-15 Thread othman
Hi Manoj, > http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/37/37338.html > > I am currently working on editing in the policy amendments, > and I find this amendment quite confusing. Could the rpincipals > involved in this clarify exactly where the .la files are supposed to > go? Are they

Re: Bug#39463,#39482,#39493: timidity, cdrdao, cdtool has no manpage for something

1999-06-15 Thread Santiago Vila
On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Jim Lynch wrote: > > On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, Roland Rosenfeld wrote: > > > > > | 6.1. Manual pages > > > | - > > > | > > > | You must install manual pages in `nroff' source form, in appropriate > > > | places under `/usr/man'. You should only use sections

Re: Bug#39463,#39482,#39493: timidity, cdrdao, cdtool has no manpage for something

1999-06-15 Thread Davide G. M. Salvetti
* JL => Jim Lynch JL> Still, I think that each package should maybe have a manifest JL> installed as documentation, either as a file in JL> /usr/doc/package/MANIFEST, in each man page, or howbout this: JL> BOTH. This includes: files the package installed, and to a limited JL> degree, files it'

Re: Bug#39463,#39482,#39493: timidity, cdrdao, cdtool has no manpage for something

1999-06-15 Thread Roland Rosenfeld
On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > > | If no manual page is available for a particular program, > > > > | utility or function and this is reported as a bug on > > > > | debian-bugs, a symbolic link > > > I think this is a stupid policy and should be changed. > > Care to provide reas

Re: Bug#39463,#39482,#39493: timidity, cdrdao, cdtool has no manpage for something

1999-06-15 Thread Jim Lynch
> > Date:Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:54:58 +0200 > To: Roland Rosenfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: Martin Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >Debian Policy List > From:Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Bug#39463,#39482,#39493: timidity, cdrdao, cdtool has no manpage >

Re: Bug#39463,#39482,#39493: timidity, cdrdao, cdtool has no manpage for something

1999-06-15 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Tue, Jun 15, 1999 at 13:25:27 +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > If lack of a manpage is a "problem", what do we gain by making a > symlink to undocumented(7), if it still has to be kept as a "bug"? Userfriendliness: it informs our users that the issue is known. > On the other hand, if an upstream

Re: Bug#39463,#39482,#39493: timidity, cdrdao, cdtool has no manpage for something

1999-06-15 Thread Santiago Vila
On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, J.H.M. Dassen wrote: > On Tue, Jun 15, 1999 at 11:54:58 +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > | If no manual page is available for a particular program, utility or > > > | function and this is reported as a bug on debian-bugs, a symbolic > > > link > > >^^

Bug#39398: debian-policy has an unclear statement on dependancies and priorities

1999-06-15 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Chris Fearnley wrote: > Lintian Maintainer: > BTW, do we have software that checks the archive for compliance with this > part of policy? Does lintian do it? A brief scan at that package suggests > that this should be added to lintian's wish list. http://master.debian.org/~wakkerm/rel

Re: Bug#39463,#39482,#39493: timidity, cdrdao, cdtool has no manpage for something

1999-06-15 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Tue, Jun 15, 1999 at 11:54:58 +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > > | If no manual page is available for a particular program, utility or > > | function and this is reported as a bug on debian-bugs, a symbolic link > > > > I think th

Re: Bug#39463,#39482,#39493: timidity, cdrdao, cdtool has no manpage for something

1999-06-15 Thread Santiago Vila
On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, Roland Rosenfeld wrote: > | 6.1. Manual pages > | - > | > | You must install manual pages in `nroff' source form, in appropriate > | places under `/usr/man'. You should only use sections 1 to 9 (see the > | FSSTND for more details). You must _not_ i

Re: Editor and sensible-editor

1999-06-15 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Jun 15, Brock Rozen wrote: > To clear up any confusion, the Pine (as such, pico; I believe) license has > changed and that might make it eligible to be taken out of "non-free". A number of problems have been discussed on -legal relative to it; most notably, that you can put it on a CD-ROM but n

Re: Editor and sensible-editor

1999-06-15 Thread Brock Rozen
On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 at 18:36, Jim Lynch wrote about "Re: Editor and...": > Brock Rozen wrote: > > I didn't see support for pico in this -- thus, I'm against this proposal > > until sensible-editor has pico support. (If I'm mistaken,and it does have > > pico support, then I will second this proposa

Re: Editor and sensible-editor

1999-06-15 Thread Brock Rozen
On 14 Jun 1999 at 12:24, Manoj Srivastava wrote about "Re: Editor and...": > Yes, the guidelines adopted for policy changes do state that > only proposals and seconds that count have to be developers. Non > developers are welcome, and the input provided is listened to, but > since polic

RE: non-maintainers seconding proposals (was: Re: weekly policy

1999-06-15 Thread Shaleh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 14-Jun-99 Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Brock Rozen wrote: >> I will second this. > > Lets not. > > May I suggest that anyone can submit a proposal, but only actual Debian > developers can second a proposal, signed with a PGP or GnuPG that is > in ou

Re: System integrity...

1999-06-15 Thread Aaron Van Couwenberghe
On Tue, Jun 15, 1999 at 01:27:27PM +1000, Chris Leishman wrote: > Well...the discussion there is regarding 'pristine' source, and md5sums of > upstream releases (with regards to repackaging ustream source as .tar.bz2). A month ago, maybe two, there was a huge debate about whether md5sums should be

Re: System integrity...

1999-06-15 Thread Chris Leishman
On Mon, Jun 14, 1999 at 03:53:58PM +0200, Petr Cech wrote: > On Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 06:43:55PM +1000 , Chris Leishman wrote: > > Hi all, > > > [snip] > > > > Is this possible to achieve given the existing packaging system framework? > > Is anyone interested in this idea, or interested in taking

Re: Editor and sensible-editor

1999-06-15 Thread Jim Lynch
Hi Brock :) put this in your .bashrc and/or .bash_profile: export EDITOR=pico and see what happens. Meanwhile, here's something for you to ignore if the above works: First, the bad news :) If you're not a developer, you don't have a vote, and you shouldn't be putting your posts in official ter

Re: Editor and sensible-editor

1999-06-15 Thread Jim Lynch
Brock Rozen wrote: > I didn't see support for pico in this -- thus, I'm against this proposal > until sensible-editor has pico support. (If I'm mistaken,and it does have > pico support, then I will second this proposal). pico is non-free, so I see no reason to hinge a decision on whether something