Re: Editor and sensible-editor

1999-06-14 Thread Chris Waters
Brock Rozen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I will vote AGAINST this proposal. It's certainly my right [...] No, if you're not a member of the project, your input is welcome, if it's sensible, but you don't get a vote, so it's *not* "certainly" your right. In this case, your input is not sensible

Re: weekly policy summary

1999-06-14 Thread Chris Waters
Francesco Tapparo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My complaint is that dselect offer to install the Suggested package, hinting > to the user to install it: this strike again the Debian spirit. We have already discussed this in great detail. Two proposals that were put forth that both seem reasonab

Re: weekly policy summary

1999-06-14 Thread Joel Klecker
At 11:45 +0200 1999-06-14, Goswin Brederlow wrote: So every Package that uses gif would be depreciated, like gimp. It works perfectly without gif, but with gif support a bit better and gif support is non-free. It's only "non-free" in the US. -- Joel Klecker (aka Espy)Debian

non-maintainers seconding proposals (was: Re: weekly policy summary)

1999-06-14 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Brock Rozen wrote: > I will second this. Lets not. May I suggest that anyone can submit a proposal, but only actual Debian developers can second a proposal, signed with a PGP or GnuPG that is in our keyring. (Brock, this has nothing to do with you, but with Debian having control over w

Re: Editor and sensible-editor

1999-06-14 Thread Joseph Carter
On Mon, Jun 14, 1999 at 12:40:19PM -0700, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > > IMHO, any serious Linux user learns to use the emacs, falling back on > vi. Pico is silly. Yah and some of us want an editor, not an operating system. We tend to use vim, joe, jed, or similar... => -- Joseph Carter <[EMAIL

Re: Editor and sensible-editor

1999-06-14 Thread Kyle Rose
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > IMHO, any serious Linux user learns to use the emacs, falling back on > vi. Pico is silly. IMHO, you are silly. One of the appeals of using a UNIX clone over alternate operating systems is being able to do things the way _you_ want to, not the way

Re: Bug#39463,#39482,#39493: timidity, cdrdao, cdtool has no manpage for something

1999-06-14 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Mon, Jun 14, 1999 at 07:28:40PM +0200, Roland Rosenfeld wrote: > I thought, that the policy is quite clear in that point, that's why I > did not ask someone before doing this job. You should have asked on -devel. It's too easy to make trivial mistakes. > The policy is quite clear for me, but

Re: Editor and sensible-editor

1999-06-14 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
IMHO, any serious Linux user learns to use the emacs, falling back on vi. Pico is silly.

Re: Editor and sensible-editor

1999-06-14 Thread Steve Greenland
On 14-Jun-99, 01:51 (CDT), Brock Rozen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One works under Debian, the other doesn't. While pico isn't part of > Debian, there is a package available and I still use it. While that is of > no interest to you, it makes a whole lot of a difference to me -- and > since sensib

Re: Editor and sensible-editor

1999-06-14 Thread Steve Greenland
On 14-Jun-99, 02:06 (CDT), Brock Rozen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jun 1999 at 12:22, Joseph Carter wrote about "Re: Editor and...": > > #!/bin/bash > > shopt -s execfail > > exec ${VISUAL:-${EDITOR:-editor}} "$@" > > Yes, I saw this. But I didn't see, like the following two lines, > s

Re: Bug#39463,#39482,#39493: timidity, cdrdao, cdtool has no manpage for something

1999-06-14 Thread Roland Rosenfeld
On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Martin Mitchell wrote: I filed a lot of maintonly bug reports against packages, where some man pages are missing, while no bug report about this exists but symlinks to undocumented.7.gz are installed. > > /usr/man/man1/wav2pat.1.gz tells me, that I should not report the > > m

Re: Pre-install required space

1999-06-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Brock" == Brock Rozen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Brock> On Fri, 11 Jun 1999 at 14:57, Joey Hess wrote about "weekly policy summary": Brock> I will second this, simply because I like features and this one certainly Brock> can't hurt. I think it should be an option though (to save th

Re: Editor and sensible-editor

1999-06-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Brock" == Brock Rozen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Brock> And while, you may be right (I'm not saying you are) that Brock> developers should be the only ones seconding and objecting -- Yes, the guidelines adopted for policy changes do state that only proposals and seconds that co

Re: Bug#39299: PROPOSAL] permit/require use of bz2 for source packages

1999-06-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Marcus> On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 11:13:23PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Marcus> That's not 100% sane. Any upstream author who cares should at Marcus> least provide an additional md5sum for the uncompressed tar Marcus> file.

Re: weekly policy summary

1999-06-14 Thread Francesco Tapparo
On Mon, Jun 14, 1999 at 11:45:01AM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: > "Davide G. M. Salvetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > * JL => Jim Lynch > > software. This means, IMHO, that free packages should not reference > > non-free packages in the Debian sense (i.e., suggests, recommends, and >

Bug#39299: PROPOSAL] permit/require use of bz2 for source packages

1999-06-14 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I would rather not see bzip2 be mandatory, but I would like to see it be > possible for things like the X sources and other things which truly > benefit. This requires alterations to dpkg and I would suggest that > before this can become policy you're g

Re: Editor and sensible-editor

1999-06-14 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Brock Rozen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 13 Jun 1999 at 14:19, Chris Waters wrote about "Re: Editor and...": > > One works under Debian, the other doesn't. While pico isn't part of > Debian, there is a package available and I still use it. While that is of > no interest to you, it makes a who

Re: Bug#39299: PROPOSAL] permit/require use of bz2 for source packages

1999-06-14 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Ideally if the package is released upstream as a .gz we should use the > > .gz. But when it's released as .gz and .bz2 as many things now are, we > > should probably use them. > > And what if it's released upstream as a .tar or a .tar.Z? In case of a

Bug#39299: PROPOSAL] permit/require use of bz2 for source packages

1999-06-14 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But yeah, I'd be happy to compress the X source archives as aggressively as > possible. bzip2 with the throttle wide open, or whatever. I wouldn't be > worried about the hard hit taken by uncompressing it, since people without > really manly machine

Bug#39299: PROPOSAL] permit/require use of bz2 for source packages

1999-06-14 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Chris Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Package: debian-policy > Version: 2.5.1.0 > Severity: normal SECONED. > Therefore, I propose that we permit the use of bzip2 to compress > source package files (.orig.tar and .diff for most packages, .tar for > native packages). I further propose tha

Re: weekly policy summary

1999-06-14 Thread Goswin Brederlow
"Davide G. M. Salvetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * JL => Jim Lynch > software. This means, IMHO, that free packages should not reference > non-free packages in the Debian sense (i.e., suggests, recommends, and > depends). So every Package that uses gif would be depreciated, like gimp. I

Re: Editor and sensible-editor

1999-06-14 Thread Joseph Carter
On Mon, Jun 14, 1999 at 10:06:10AM +0300, Brock Rozen wrote: > > Barring the argument that sensible-editor assumes sensible-user who would > > never use such a braindead and bloated piece of software for any > > practical purpose, your argument demonstrates that you need to be fwopped > > Fine. Bu

Re: Editor and sensible-editor

1999-06-14 Thread Brock Rozen
On Sun, 13 Jun 1999 at 12:22, Joseph Carter wrote about "Re: Editor and...": > I'm about to be harsh on you, so I shall apologize in advance. As long as we're not commenting on each other's anatomy parts, I think I can deal with it. ;-) > Barring the argument that sensible-editor assumes sensibl

Re: Editor and sensible-editor

1999-06-14 Thread Brock Rozen
On 13 Jun 1999 at 14:19, Chris Waters wrote about "Re: Editor and...": > > > Editor and sensible-editor > > > * Under discussion. > > > * Proposed on 2 Jun 1999 by Goswin Brederlow. > > > * Instead of having programs use $EDITOR and fall back to editor, > > > just use sensible-editor. >