James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Well there's an obvious discrepancy then, since MANY other programs in
> > the same boat are already in main, and have been for some time.
>
> Yes, because I didn't accept them. This thread only started because I
> happened to look at TiK while proce
James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > The point is that every single TCP/IP client that is in existance now
> > or ever will be has a free server available: netcat. This renders
> > other distinctions meaningless, I think.
>
> Oh, purlease. This is sophistry. When talking about common ev
[Edits headers before editing reply to make sure he remembers to do so]
On Mon, May 03, 1999 at 10:02:08PM +0100, James Troup wrote:
> > > This is the point under contention. Does it matter whether a required
> > > non-free component is on your system? If a package *requires* a
> > > non-free se
Hm...
My own personal feeling is that the client's classification should not
have anything whatsoever to do with a (theoretical) server's
classification.
Anyway, wouldn't the existance of a client implimentation imply sufficient
information to design and/or code a compatible server?
I would
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > > First, you are removing a very important distinction: You have no
> > > control over what is on the other end of the connection.
> >
> > Eh? So what?
>
> The point is that every single TCP/IP client tha
Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Mon, May 03, 1999 at 12:25:21PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote:
> > > There is NOTHING on your system that is non-free which icq depends on to
> > > run, is there?
> >
> > This is the point under contention. Does it matter whether a required
> > non-free
On Mon, 03 May, 1999, Johnie Ingram wrote:
>
> "Edward" == Edward Betts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Edward> So IRC and AOL are free clients, non-free servers with no
> Edward> free alternatives, can we do the same with file formats?
>
> Bah, its ICQ thats non-free; IRC clients and servers we
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
> >>"James" == James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> Server != library. There is no linking. There is no requirement to use
> >> it with a non-free server.
>
> James> Hello? No requirement? What, pray tell, does one do with TiK if
On Sun, May 02, 1999 at 08:07:15AM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote:
> And yet there are two attempts out there to write a free ICQ server. The
> specs are published. Nobody has released one yet but so what?
>
> If the protocol is published the lack of a free server AT THE MOMENT
> should not penalize
On Mon, May 03, 1999 at 12:25:21PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote:
> > There is NOTHING on your system that is non-free which icq depends on to
> > run, is there?
>
> This is the point under contention. Does it matter whether a required
> non-free component is on your system? If a package *requires*
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"Oliver Elphick" writes:
> I should like to create a menu section Apps/Database, which would be
> appropriate for PostgreSQL Mysql and any others.
Hi,
We're sort of in the middle of a discussion of how to improve the
handling of menu policy and the menu heira
Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> There is NOTHING on your system that is non-free which icq depends on to
> run, is there?
This is the point under contention. Does it matter whether a required
non-free component is on your system? If a package *requires* a
non-free server, should tha
Hi,
>>"James" == James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Server != library. There is no linking. There is no requirement to use
>> it with a non-free server.
James> Hello? No requirement? What, pray tell, does one do with TiK if one
James> doesn't connect to a server (non-free)?
(Hate to screw up your threading, guys, but I seem to be missing a message.)
"Edward" == Edward Betts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Edward> So IRC and AOL are free clients, non-free servers with no
Edward> free alternatives, can we do the same with file formats?
Hmm, a comment and a couple of questio
On Mon, May 03, 1999 at 01:19:35AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Software patents are perfectly valid in Oz. They're even administered
> somewhat more sensibly than in the US.
That's why there aren't so many of them.
>
> Package: debian-policy
> Version: 2.5.0.0
>
> Recently on irc there was a complaint that some newly compiled programs now
> use /var/mail in place of /var/spool/mail.
>
> This came up before and we had a nice big flamewar about it with the help of
> the LSB and FHS people, trying to decide w
>
> Since I first took on the postgresql database package, I have put menu
> entries for it under Apps/Misc; I wasn't too happy about that, but there
> seemed to be nowhere else suitable. Lintian is bugging me even about that
> location, because it isn't listed in the menu documentation.
>
> I s
[ Joseph, by Ccing me, you're demonstrating just how well you're
reading my mail before replying. There was a nice `Please don't Cc
me' at the top of my previous mail. Please, pretty please with a
cherry on top, be so kind as not to this time, if you reply. ]
Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > > But that's not correct. The program can start, and it can run, on a
> > > machine with solely free software. contrib is for things that
> > > cannot even do that without non-free software.
> >
> > Well y
James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > First, you are removing a very important distinction: You have no
> > control over what is on the other end of the connection.
>
> Eh? So what?
The point is that every single TCP/IP client that is in existance now
or ever will be has a free server av
James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > But that's not correct. The program can start, and it can run, on a
> > machine with solely free software. contrib is for things that
> > cannot even do that without non-free software.
>
> Well you could make a fake QT which allowed things to start up
On Mon, May 03, 1999 at 02:21:40PM +0300, Brock Rozen wrote:
> > Blah. If a program, foobar, is linked against the non-free libevil,
> > it goes in contrib. The fact that someone is planning, writing or
> > even thinking about writing a libgood DFSG replacement for libevil,
> > does *not* mean we
On Mon, May 03, 1999 at 11:48:29AM +0100, James Troup wrote:
> > And yet there are two attempts out there to write a free ICQ server. The
> > specs are published. Nobody has released one yet but so what?
> >
> > If the protocol is published the lack of a free server AT THE MOMENT
> > should not
On Sun, May 02, 1999 at 11:52:11PM -0400, Shaleh wrote:
> > As James well knows, this sparked quite an argument on the "secret" IRC
> > channel.
> >
> > I expect this to be a contentious issue, but I am in support of James's
> > action as a harbinger of (hopefully) a new, clarified contrib policy.
Package: debian-policy
Version: 2.5.0.0
Recently on irc there was a complaint that some newly compiled programs now
use /var/mail in place of /var/spool/mail.
This came up before and we had a nice big flamewar about it with the help of
the LSB and FHS people, trying to decide where to put the inc
"Edward" == Edward Betts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Edward> So IRC and AOL are free clients, non-free servers with no
Edward> free alternatives, can we do the same with file formats?
Bah, its ICQ thats non-free; IRC clients and servers were GPL from the
start.
netgod
On 3 May 1999, James Troup wrote:
> Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > If the protocol is published the lack of a free server AT THE MOMENT
> > should not penalize the software.
>
> Blah. If a program, foobar, is linked against the non-free libevil,
> it goes in contrib. The fact
On 3 May 1999, James Troup wrote:
> > If the protocol is published the lack of a free server AT THE MOMENT
> > should not penalize the software.
>
> Blah. If a program, foobar, is linked against the non-free libevil,
> it goes in contrib. The fact that someone is planning, writing or
> even thi
[ Please don't Cc replies to me on public lists ]
Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sun, May 02, 1999 at 12:41:14PM +, Edward Betts wrote:
> > > > So IRC and AOL are free clients, non-free servers with no free
> > > > alternatives,
> > >
> > > There are free IRC servers, e.g. th
This lintian warning is about the postgres home directory, which is the
standard location in the /etc/passwd file created by the base system.
Should this be changed? If so, the base system must also be changed.
--
Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Isle of Wight
Since I first took on the postgresql database package, I have put menu
entries for it under Apps/Misc; I wasn't too happy about that, but there
seemed to be nowhere else suitable. Lintian is bugging me even about that
location, because it isn't listed in the menu documentation.
I should like to c
On 01-May-99 Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Sat, May 01, 1999 at 07:41:03PM +0100, James Troup wrote:
>> So, opinions?
>
> As James well knows, this sparked quite an argument on the "secret" IRC
> channel.
>
> I expect this to be a contentious issue, but I am in support of James's
> action as a ha
On Sun, May 02, 1999 at 05:40:27PM -0400, James LewisMoss wrote:
> >> Assuming they only patent it in the US.
>
> Joseph> Software patents in pretty much the rest of the world are
> Joseph> illegal. Including Germany for that matter.
>
> FYI (from the patent-news mailing list):
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