Re: [PROPOSED] Merging the packaging manual and policy packages

1999-01-09 Thread Robert Woodcock
[Manoj - sorry about the extra message in your inbox. Forgot to send it to the list the first time around] Manoj Srivastava wrote: > If we agree that the packaging manual has the weight of > Policy, Currently it does not. Someone needs to go over it with a fine-toothed comb to pick out non-

Re: [PROPOSED] Merging the packaging manual and policy packages

1999-01-09 Thread jim
Hi there... What about people who are not debian developers but who want to make local debian packages? (forexample: admin folx who want to document/package THEIR policy w/o being tied to debian policy: we all KNOW that these will/do exist) (Note in general: I think some debian practices go again

Re: Commercial .debs

1999-01-09 Thread Adrian Bridgett
There is _no way_ you will get people to comply 100% with policy. In particular the FHS will be a problem (mostly with packages installing into /opt). Another item of note is user/group allocation. Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett Windows NT - Unix in bet

Bug#31645: [PROPOSED] Explicitly making the Packaging Manual a Policy Document

1999-01-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Package: packaging-manual Version: 2.5.0.0 Severity: wishlist Hi, [Robert Woodcock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> points out that the Packaging manual states that it is not policy] In that case, I think I do owe Wichert an aopology. I think I would like to change those paragraphs to the followi

[PROPOSED] Merging the packaging manual and policy packages

1999-01-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Iff we agree that the packaging manual has the weight of Policy, I propose, as a purely packaging issue, to pull the two packages (not the documents -- the policy and the packaging manuals shall remain distinct documents). The policy manual package already contains the FSSTND docu

Re: DRAFT: Fixing the architecture query options of dpkg.

1999-01-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Wichert" == Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Wichert> I tried to find a place where that is mentioned, since this Wichert> I had never heard before the packaging manual is policy. This issue was discussed here on the mailing list, around the time I was trying to revi

Re: DRAFT: Fixing the architecture query options of dpkg.

1999-01-09 Thread Robert Woodcock
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Wichert> Packaging manual isn't policy. I don't see any reason why a > Wichert> shell script should not be used for very simply packages.. > > Packaging manual is too policy. The rationale for that has > been lost in the mists of time, but this is something that is a

Re: DRAFT: Fixing the architecture query options of dpkg.

1999-01-09 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Such a blatant violation of policy was not what I expected > from someone who is trying to be DPL. If you do indeed do so, that > package shall immediately draw a bug report. Relax, I never said I would upload that package to Debian. I have lots of pack

Re: DRAFT: Fixing the architecture query options of dpkg.

1999-01-09 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Packaging manual is too policy. The rationale for that has > been lost in the mists of time, but this is something that is already > policy; please float a move to get it changed if you do not like it. I tried to find a place where that is mentioned, sinc

Re: Relation with non-existing packages

1999-01-09 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Richard Braakman wrote: > I disagree with this proposal. Packages in contrib and non-free > should be able to depend on packages that we can't or won't distribute > for whatever reason. Why would we want to define relations within Debian packages to packages that don't exist as far as

Re: DRAFT: Fixing the architecture query options of dpkg.

1999-01-09 Thread Martin Mitchell
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The only drawback I can see: If you do cross compilation, you can't easily > run "debian/rules target" and expect it to work. You'd need to set the > variables correctly. That's already the case, even before your proposal. > Currently, cross compila

source dependencies

1999-01-09 Thread Hamish Moffatt
Every week or two, somebody says "we need source dependencies." I don't have a proposal to present on how it should be done, but it doesn't seem like it should be too hard. The control file would need a new field Source-Depends. This might be propagated to the .dsc file. When a source package is u

Re: DRAFT: Fixing the architecture query options of dpkg.

1999-01-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Wichert" == Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Wichert> Previously Richard Braakman wrote: >> It does. Packaging Manual, section 3.2.1, says that debian/rules >> is an executable makefile that starts with the string `#!/usr/bin/make -f'. Wichert> Packaging manual isn't polic

Re: DRAFT: Fixing the architecture query options of dpkg.

1999-01-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Wichert" == Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Wichert> Wichert. (who has decided to create a package where Wichert> debian/rules is a sh-script someday just for fun) Such a blatant violation of policy was not what I expected from someone who is trying to be DPL. If yo

Re: DRAFT: Fixing the architecture query options of dpkg.

1999-01-09 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Jules Bean wrote: > The ability to invoke debian/rules by hand is not really a > 'technical advantage', though convenient. It is an advantage: I do "debian/rules binary" by hand quite a lot in testing packages, and only run dpkg-buildpackage on the final result. For some package I only

Re: DRAFT: Fixing the architecture query options of dpkg.

1999-01-09 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Richard Braakman wrote: > It does. Packaging Manual, section 3.2.1, says that debian/rules > is an executable makefile that starts with the string `#!/usr/bin/make -f'. Packaging manual isn't policy. I don't see any reason why a shell script should not be used for very simply packages.

Re: Commercial .debs

1999-01-09 Thread Darren Benham
On 08-Jan-99 Jules Bean wrote: > Of course, they might not want to be a debian developer. > > Note that, currently, to be a debian developer you have to agree with the > DFSG. Commercial developers might well not.. > > Perhaps we could afford them a quasi-developer status. Alternatively, > the