Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Raul Miller
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think the wording does leave room for any interpretation. You are > free to read it in native english or in english written by a german guy, > you still get the same meaning: Out of w.x.y.z, the first three have to be > coorect (w.x.y) while the

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 07:11:36PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > On 4 May 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > Santiago> The intention of Christian, I think, was precisely not to > > Santiago> have to change the Standards-Version field so often, by > > Santia

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 4 May 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Santiago> The intention of Christian, I think, was precisely not to > Santiago> have to change the Standards-Version field so often, by > Santiago> specifying only the first three digits of it. > > What are you bas

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Raul Miller
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You suddenly seem to be arguing that policy never be amended > since we may just be screwing it up. Er... no. Not even close. Later, -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [E

Re: #Bug21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Santiago" == Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Santiago> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 4 May 1998, Manoj Santiago> Srivastava wrote: >> Even if the intention was what you say (and I think it was not I >> think the intention was what was actually written), it would be >> wro

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> The issue isn't trust. The issue is understanding. I think I am willing to give new maintainers the benfit of doubt as to whether they can excercise enough judgment to know if they understand a subject well enough to go and

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Oliver Elphick
Manoj Srivastava wrote: >>>"Martin" == Martin Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> To get the meaning you want, the text should say: >>> "Packages should specify only the first three digits ..." or just >>> "Packages should specify the first three digits ..." >Martin> Correct, however

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Raul Miller
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Raul> You honestly think this is good enough for new developers? I > Raul> must confess that I'm not really in touch with the sort of > Raul> things they would think. > > Of course. You gotta trust people some time. I think we give > folks the

Re: #Bug21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 4 May 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Even if the intention was what you say (and I think it was not > -- I think the intention was what was actually written), it would be > wrong, since every single package in the distribution would have > to be cha

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I would be willing to say that we leave determination of the point >> when following policy is detrimental to the package to the >> maintainers themselves; so Dale could decide that strip

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Martin" == Martin Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Martin> "Oliver Elphick" writes: >> To get the meaning you want, the text should say: >> >> "Packages should specify only the first three digits ..." or just >> "Packages should specify the first three digits ..." Martin> Correct, ho

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Raul Miller
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Raul> I've mostly agreed with (Buddha and Philip's) statement you > Raul> quoted a few days ago which talks about what to do when policy > Raul> doesn't apply properly. I think it has a weakness: in creating > Raul> the rules for how "debian-policy" is

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Martin Mitchell
"Oliver Elphick" writes: > To get the meaning you want, the text should say: > >"Packages should specify only the first three digits ..." > or just >"Packages should specify the first three digits ..." Correct, however I think that was the intention of the wording, and it should be clar

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> Policy SHOULD be followed, in the general case. I'd even agree Raul> that in a large number of specific cases (but not all), policy Raul> MUST be followed. You're the one that has decided that this Raul> means that it SHOULD NOT be foll

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Raul Miller
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> In any case, policy is not meant to be followed anyway. Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Raul> Cut it out, Manoj. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why? You should be happy I'm on your side now. Were you not objecting > to th