policy on g appended to lib names

1997-12-20 Thread Fabrizio Polacco
As I've seen bugs raised against packages that added the g _after_ the soname in the package name instead than _between_ the name and the soname, I ask: - didn't we agree that would be better to add the "g" after the soname like lib0g instead than libg0, to avoid confusion with lib names alrea

Re: Rationale for /etc/init.d/* being conffiles?

1997-12-20 Thread Guy Maor
David Frey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > AFAIK, dpkg does only ask when the md5sum of the conffile changed. So if it > didn't > change, you get the old version. dpkg asks when the md5sums of both versions - the one on your system and the one in the package - change. Guy

Re: are md5sums mandatory for all packages?

1997-12-20 Thread Mark W. Eichin
This is starting to lose policy relevance (if someone doesn't volunteer to do out-of-us kerberos, it won't *be* an option, even if someone does volunteer to setup a us-only site [or manage a directory on the mpj site -- as long as I don't have to do anything more than "dupload" I don't care which,

Re: are md5sums mandatory for all packages?

1997-12-20 Thread David Frey
On Sat, Dec 20 1997 16:17 +1100 Hamish Moffatt writes: > On Fri, Dec 19, 1997 at 01:31:38PM -0500, Scott Ellis wrote: > > And the instant someone provides us with free software equivilant to ssh > > or pgp, we'll move to use it. We need the functionality, unfortunatly > > sometimes you have to use

Re: Rationale for /etc/init.d/* being conffiles?

1997-12-20 Thread David Frey
On Fri, Dec 19 1997 20:37 GMT Adrian Bridgett writes: > What about "dpkg-divert"? Sure - some people do edit /etc/init.d/whatever > (particularly "network"), however there are many files in /etc/init.d that > the vast majority of people won't change. If some behaviour needs to change, > they may no

Re: Rationale for /etc/init.d/* being conffiles?

1997-12-20 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "Santiago" == Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Why are you so opposed to them being conffiles anyway, Santiago> I am NOT opposed to them being conffiles. I am opposed Santiago> to them being conffiles without a rationale. >> it doesn't make any difference to som

Re: Rationale for /etc/init.d/* being conffiles?

1997-12-20 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
Perhaps they should be conffiles, and folks should be told about `ediff' editting with emacs. I usually say N when it asks, then go to an XEmacs and do [Tools | Compare | Two Files...] and merge the new into the old, if appropriate. If you want a one button computer, buy a Mac. What's it l

Re: Rationale for /etc/init.d/* being conffiles?

1997-12-20 Thread Philip Hands
> Let's make a conffile every script in /usr/bin, then. Santiago, Please shut up. In order to change the status quo, you need to come up with a positive reason for doing so (in this case, an example of a /etc/init.d script that definitely should not be a conffile might be nice). Saying ``I th

Re: Rationale for /etc/init.d/* being conffiles?

1997-12-20 Thread Scott K. Ellis
On Sat, 20 Dec 1997, Santiago Vila wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > On Sat, 20 Dec 1997, Scott K. Ellis wrote: > > > > The policy does not explain why they should *all* be conffiles. > > > > I can think of a reason to modify almost any /etc/init.d/* script, on the > > grounds tha

Re: Rationale for /etc/init.d/* being conffiles?

1997-12-20 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 20 Dec 1997, Scott K. Ellis wrote: > > The policy does not explain why they should *all* be conffiles. > > I can think of a reason to modify almost any /etc/init.d/* script, on the > grounds that they effect the startup behavior of the system. /sbin/in

Re: Rationale for /etc/init.d/* being conffiles?

1997-12-20 Thread Scott K. Ellis
On Sat, 20 Dec 1997, Santiago Vila wrote: > Could somebody please explain the rationale for having *all* > /etc/init.d/* scripts as conffiles? Simple, if they are ALL conffiles, then the local sysadmin isn't unpleasntly suprised when the specific file he edited turned out to NOT be a conffile. C

Re: Rationale for /etc/init.d/* being conffiles?

1997-12-20 Thread Scott K. Ellis
On Sat, 20 Dec 1997, Santiago Vila wrote: > On Sat, 20 Dec 1997, Scott K. Ellis wrote: > > > [...] stopping these files from being conffiles will > > No. This is the most common misunderstanding: I'm *not* saying they > should *all* have to stop being conffiles. I'm saying that they should

Re: Rationale for /etc/init.d/* being conffiles?

1997-12-20 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 20 Dec 1997, Scott K. Ellis wrote: > [...] stopping these files from being conffiles will No. This is the most common misunderstanding: I'm *not* saying they should *all* have to stop being conffiles. I'm saying that they should be conffiles (when

Re: Rationale for /etc/init.d/* being conffiles?

1997-12-20 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I said: Could somebody please explain the rationale for having *all* /etc/init.d/* scripts as conffiles? Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:23:49 +0100 From: Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I find useful to modify some of the scripts. (e.g. I don't need RPC and I

Re: Rationale for /etc/init.d/* being conffiles?

1997-12-20 Thread Scott K. Ellis
On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, Adrian Bridgett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 19, 1997 at 01:56:35PM -0500, Scott Ellis wrote: > > On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, Santiago Vila wrote: > > [snip policy] > > > > > > Could somebody please explain the rationale for having *all* > > > /etc/init.d/* scripts as conffiles? > > [snip

Re: Rationale for /etc/init.d/* being conffiles?

1997-12-20 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Fri, Dec 19, 1997 at 01:56:35PM -0500, Scott Ellis wrote: > On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, Santiago Vila wrote: [snip policy] > > > > Could somebody please explain the rationale for having *all* > > /etc/init.d/* scripts as conffiles? [snip] > You can deactivate OR CHANGE THE BEHAVIOR of the program b

Re: Policy for group ownership of games (Was: Re: Bug#15846: rocks-n-diamonds: errors on startup)

1997-12-20 Thread Guy Maor
Joost Kooij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That doesn't seem "simple" to me. It requires that a lot of games be > patched to allow for a command-line switch to override the location of > data files. I doubt that it's that hard to implement. Suggest it to the game's author at least. Guy

another use of md5sums

1997-12-20 Thread Radu Duta
On Fri, Dec 19, 1997 at 01:28:52PM -0500, Mark W. Eichin wrote: > 1) a hardware flake out [computer at a residential site with >poor environment control, cheap IDE disks -- you know, what most >developers have, as well as many users] that *seems* to have recovered >cleanly. > 2) running

Re: MD5SUMs in debs / dpkg install hook (new thought)

1997-12-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Hamish" == Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hamish> On Fri, Dec 19, 1997 at 03:12:37PM +1300, Radu Duta wrote: >> What I'm thinking is that maybe it should be the responsability of >> dpkg, since it is the package manager after all. The package >> itself works as is and there wou

Re: are md5sums mandatory for all packages?

1997-12-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Fabrizio" == Fabrizio Polacco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> If per file mdsums are to be recorded, then maybe hte too should >> be pgp-signed (possibly by dpkg at package build time, possibly a >> detached signature). Fabrizio> as I already said, I think that maintainer's signatures are

Re: are md5sums mandatory for all packages?

1997-12-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Joel" == Joel Klecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joel> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Joel> Regarding "Re: are md5sums mandatory for all packages?" of 10:31 Joel> AM -0800 1997-12-19, Scott Ellis wrote: >> And the instant someone provides us with free software equivilant >> to ssh or

md5 on the fly or md5 in deb, RIPEMD-160 vs MD5

1997-12-20 Thread Radu Duta
On Sat, Dec 20, 1997 at 04:28:02PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: >Well, calculation at install time doesn't prevent somebody >modifying the .deb (which is easy), especially in the case >of non-official sites. Does dpkg check the MD5sum with >the one in the Packages file or in the archive itself? >Ev

Re: MD5SUMs in debs / dpkg install hook (new thought)

1997-12-20 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Dec 19, 1997 at 03:12:37PM +1300, Radu Duta wrote: > What I'm thinking is that maybe it should be the responsability of dpkg, > since it is the package manager after all. The package itself works as > is and there would be not much extra benefit from having the md5sums in > the package, th

Re: are md5sums mandatory for all packages?

1997-12-20 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Dec 19, 1997 at 01:31:38PM -0500, Scott Ellis wrote: > And the instant someone provides us with free software equivilant to ssh > or pgp, we'll move to use it. We need the functionality, unfortunatly > sometimes you have to use what you can get. Hmmm. Perhaps this is a flaw in the non-US

Re: are md5sums mandatory for all packages?

1997-12-20 Thread Mark W. Eichin
> Kerberos is free software and it is more than equivalent to ssh. It also > has the advantage of being a standards track protocol (RFC 1510). It also has the disadvantage of being developed in the US. I *have* Kerberos V5 debian packages; one of the last things I did at Cygnus was to check a de

Re: Rationale for /etc/init.d/* being conffiles?

1997-12-20 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
> Could somebody please explain the rationale for having *all* > /etc/init.d/* scripts as conffiles? They are as conffiles as autoexec.bat in DOS is. (uh.. was that good English?)

Re: are md5sums mandatory for all packages?

1997-12-20 Thread Fabrizio Polacco
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > All right, I think I a beginning to agree. Maybe dpkg *should > have integrity checking (as well as permission and ownership being > recorded record [in the .list file maybe?] -- like a ls -al listing) I am always annoyed by having dpkg -c and dpkg -L use a d