Should I recommend "less" if I use it in some scripts?

2004-03-22 Thread Number Six
Some of the scripts I include with my package use "less" (as well as "sed", "tr", and "grep"). I know for a fact "less" is not installed by default. (Not sure about this others). Should every little "ordinary" thing like less be included in my Recommends? It's surely not germane to the packa

Re: Should I recommend "less" if I use it in some scripts?

2004-03-22 Thread Michael Koch
Am Montag, 22. März 2004 10:25 schrieb Number Six: > Some of the scripts I include with my package use "less" (as well as > "sed", "tr", and "grep"). I know for a fact "less" is not installed > by default. (Not sure about this others). > > Should every little "ordinary" thing like less be include

Re: Should I recommend "less" if I use it in some scripts?

2004-03-22 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Number Six <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Should every little "ordinary" thing like less be included in my > Recommends? It's surely not germane to the package, but if it's not > there, these little scripts will break. If your package needs something that is not Essential you must declare a Depe

Re: Should I recommend "less" if I use it in some scripts?

2004-03-22 Thread David Weinehall
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 01:25:47AM -0800, Number Six wrote: > Some of the scripts I include with my package use "less" (as well as > "sed", "tr", and "grep"). I know for a fact "less" is not installed by > default. (Not sure about this others). > > Should every little "ordinary" thing like les

Re: Should I recommend "less" if I use it in some scripts?

2004-03-22 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2004-03-22 Number Six <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some of the scripts I include with my package use "less" (as well as > "sed", "tr", and "grep"). I know for a fact "less" is not installed by > default. (Not sure about this others). > Should every little "ordinary" thing like less be inclu

Re: Should I recommend "less" if I use it in some scripts?

2004-03-22 Thread Cosimo Alfarano
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 01:25:47AM -0800, Number Six wrote: > Should every little "ordinary" thing like less be included in my > Recommends? It's surely not germane to the package, but if it's not Why not use sensible-pager, in debianutils (Essential: yes)? cheers, c.

Howto use misc:Depends? [was Re: Should I recommend "less" if I use it in some scripts?]

2004-03-22 Thread Number Six
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 11:03:58AM +0100, Michael Koch wrote: > Am Montag, 22. März 2004 10:25 schrieb Number Six: > > Some of the scripts I include with my package use "less" (as well as > > "sed", "tr", and "grep"). I know for a fact "less" is not installed > > by default. (Not sure about this

Should I always clean in debian/rules before making binary?

2004-03-22 Thread Number Six
I have an automake project that I've also run dh_make on. If I just run: ./configure, the default {prefix} is "/usr/local", which is the way I want it. If I then run "fakeroot debian/rules binary", the binary debian package will install itself to /usr/local. If I "make clean; fakeroot debian/ru

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Sunday 21 March 2004 20.49, Stephen Frost wrote: > .la files shouldn't be included in anything, they're just plain broken. 940 .la files on my system. Report bugs? /usr/lib/rep/... /usr/lib/libkabc_ldapkio.la /usr/lib/libesd.la /usr/lib/libkwireless.la usr/lib/gimp/1.3/modules/... /usr/lib/kd

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Stephen Frost
* Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sunday 21 March 2004 20.49, Stephen Frost wrote: > > > .la files shouldn't be included in anything, they're just plain broken. > > 940 .la files on my system. Report bugs? [...] > So either you don't mean that absolutely, or t

Re: Should I always clean in debian/rules before making binary?

2004-03-22 Thread Frank Küster
Number Six <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > I have an automake project that I've also run dh_make on. > > If I just run: ./configure, the default {prefix} is "/usr/local", > which is the way I want it. > > If I then run "fakeroot debian/rules binary", the binary debian package > will install itself

Re: Howto use misc:Depends? [was Re: Should I recommend "less" if I use it in some scripts?]

2004-03-22 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 02:37:48AM -0800, Number Six wrote: > I would prefer to have "less" be picked up by misc:Depends, I guess, > rather than explicitly adding it to the Depends line. No, you should add it explicitly; misc:Depends belongs to debhelper. However, I agree that you should refer to

Re: Should I always clean in debian/rules before making binary?

2004-03-22 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 03:19:55PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: > - In the install target, you would call something like > > $(MAKE) install prefix=debian/tmp/usr It's easier to use DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp if DESTDIR support is available; that way you get less confused by /etc. > - From a p

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Frank Küster
Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > * Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> On Sunday 21 March 2004 20.49, Stephen Frost wrote: >> >> > .la files shouldn't be included in anything, they're just plain broken. >> >> 940 .la files on my system. Report bugs? > [

updating gdal library

2004-03-22 Thread Silke Reimer
Hallo! I am the maintainer of gdal and since a new upstream version is available I want to build a new pacakge. Now I have the following problems: First I don't know how to fill the Depends for libgdal1-dev correctly. http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html#AEN75 e

Re: updating gdal library

2004-03-22 Thread Andreas Metzler
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:39:19PM +0100, Silke Reimer wrote: > First I don't know how to fill the Depends for libgdal1-dev > correctly. > http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html#AEN75 > explains the following: > > """ > The -dev package should depend on

Re: Should I always clean in debian/rules before making binary?

2004-03-22 Thread Frank Küster
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 03:19:55PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: >> - In the install target, you would call something like >> >> $(MAKE) install prefix=debian/tmp/usr > > It's easier to use DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp if DESTDIR support is > available;

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Re: Should I always clean in debian/rules before making binary?

2004-03-22 Thread Bob Proulx
Frank Küster wrote: > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > It's easier to use DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp if DESTDIR support is > > available; that way you get less confused by /etc. > [..] > Hm, how do I know (other by trial and error) whether a package supports > this? autoconf'iscated

Re: Should I always clean in debian/rules before making binary?

2004-03-22 Thread elijah wright
frank, can i beg you to doublecheck the way your last name is encoded in your email client? it corrupts the screen state in pine EVERY time i get one of your email messages... mutt doesn't get corrupted, but it shows me a big fat questionmark instead of the letter between "K" and "s" in your la

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Andreas Metzler
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:26:49PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: > Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > * Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >> On Sunday 21 March 2004 20.49, Stephen Frost wrote: > >> > >> > .la files shouldn't be included in anything, they're

Re: updating gdal library

2004-03-22 Thread Silke Reimer
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:49:51PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:39:19PM +0100, Silke Reimer wrote: > > First I don't know how to fill the Depends for libgdal1-dev > > correctly. > > http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html#AEN75 > > explai

Re: Should I always clean in debian/rules before making binary?

2004-03-22 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
elijah wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > frank, can i beg you to doublecheck the way your last name is encoded in > your email client? it corrupts the screen state in pine EVERY time i get > one of your email messages... mutt doesn't get corrupted, but it shows me > a big fat questionmark inst

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Frank Küster
Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Basically the essence of the mess is #191425. If libfoo links against > libbar and application blah makes use of libfoo (but does not use > libbar) libtool will link the application against both libraries. [...] O.k., understood. > Now libtool gets th

Re: Should I always clean in debian/rules before making binary?

2004-03-22 Thread Frank Küster
elijah wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > frank, can i beg you to doublecheck the way your last name is encoded in > your email client? As I see it, it is From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Frank_K=FCster?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Although I'd prefer From: Frank =?iso-8859-1?q?K=FCster?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Character encoding (was: Should I always clean...)

2004-03-22 Thread Matt Brubeck
elijah wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > alternatively, can someone suggest a solution to the screen > corruption? i think what might be happening is that the letter in > question is taking two cells on the screen instead of the ONE that > it should take up... It sounds like Pine is sending

Re: Should I always clean in debian/rules before making binary?

2004-03-22 Thread Rene Engelhard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [ read http://learn.to.quote ] Hi, elijah wright wrote: > frank, can i beg you to doublecheck the way your last name is encoded in > your email client? it corrupts the screen state in pine EVERY time i get > one of your email messages... mutt doesn

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Andreas Metzler
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 06:28:43PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: > Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > > Personally I think the payoff is ok, due to dlopen in glibc (NSS, > > iconv) static linking is unreliable anyway. > This I don't understand. What is the relation between dlopen cal

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Roger Leigh
Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > We shouldn't be recommending providing staticlly linked libs for people > to use, even in the 'fast moving' case- if it's that fast then it > probably shouldn't be in Debian and that's just life. > > .la files shouldn't be included in anything, they're j

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Stephen Frost
* Roger Leigh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > We shouldn't be recommending providing staticlly linked libs for people > > to use, even in the 'fast moving' case- if it's that fast then it > > probably shouldn't be in Debian and that's just life. > > > > .l

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Matt Brubeck
Stephen Frost wrote: > We shouldn't be shipping or using static libraries. Why not? I know we shouldn't be linking to static libraries in our packaged software, but having the static libraries available is important for some end-users and local administrators. Debian Policy section 8.3 says,

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Stephen Frost
* Matt Brubeck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Stephen Frost wrote: > > We shouldn't be shipping or using static libraries. > > Why not? I know we shouldn't be linking to static libraries in our > packaged software, but having the static libraries available is > important for some end-users and loca

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [040322 21:14]: > Pffft. Honestly, I think that claim of end-users and local > administrators using static libraries is rather dated and rarely the > case these days. I do not know, if they are used to make any programs intended for production use any more,

Re: Should I always clean in debian/rules before making binary?

2004-03-22 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As I see it, it is > From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Frank_K=FCster?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, that's how I see it as well. My previous reply was based on the fact that my Gnus surprised me by showing the From-field correctly, if it is encoded, but NOT showing To, C

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 08:18:35PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > We shouldn't be recommending providing staticlly linked libs for people > > to use, even in the 'fast moving' case- if it's that fast then it > > probably shouldn't be in Debian and that's

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Sun, 2004-03-21 at 19:49, Stephen Frost wrote: > We shouldn't be recommending providing staticlly linked libs for people > to use, even in the 'fast moving' case- if it's that fast then it > probably shouldn't be in Debian and that's just life. > > .la files shouldn't be included in anything,

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 21:29, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 08:18:35PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > > Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > We shouldn't be recommending providing staticlly linked libs for people > > > to use, even in the 'fast moving' case- if it's tha

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Roger Leigh
Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Matt Brubeck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> Stephen Frost wrote: >> > We shouldn't be shipping or using static libraries. >> >> Why not? I know we shouldn't be linking to static libraries in our >> packaged software, but having the static libraries av

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Roger Leigh
Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:26:49PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: [libtool brokenness] >> Yes, it did :-|. Could you point me to a documentation where I could >> read about these problems, and under what weird circumstances it will be >> a bug nevertheles

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 09:59:34PM +, Scott James Remnant wrote: > > pkg-config is a *far* worse offender than libtool. With libtool, we > > have some hope of getting these things right in the near future; > > pkg-config, OTOH, doesn't even know there *is* a difference between > > static and s

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 22:15, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 09:59:34PM +, Scott James Remnant wrote: > > > But shipping .la files in non-dev packages should still be a hanging > > > offense. > > > Plugins using libltdl probably need them ... though not until some of > > the mo

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Stephen Frost
* Roger Leigh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I used a statically-linked binary just a few days ago. I needed to > resize an NTFS partition on a newly-delivered system which came with > Windows XP. In the event, I was able to get a statically linked > binary, copy it onto a floppy and run this after

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Stephen Frost
* Scott James Remnant ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > But shipping .la files in non-dev packages should still be a hanging > > offense. > > Plugins using libltdl probably need them ... though not until some of > the more exotic ports come to fruition. > > "Debian Solaris" anyone? :o) I'm not 100%

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Alexander Winston
On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 20:54 +, Roger Leigh wrote: > On a related note, I'd also be very happy if it was a requirement to > build libraries with a miniumum of "-g -ggdb -gdwarf-2", and not strip > them. We could provide some mechanism to automatically strip > binaries, surely? I believe that

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Roger Leigh
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 09:59:34PM +, Scott James Remnant wrote: >> > pkg-config is a *far* worse offender than libtool. With libtool, we >> > have some hope of getting these things right in the near future; >> > pkg-config, OTOH, doesn't even know

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Stephen Frost
* Scott James Remnant ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > If you are creating a library package, you should ship the shared > library (and SONAME symlink) in the libxxxN package and the static > library, name-only symlink *AND* .la file (if relevant) in the > libxxx[N]-dev package. Right, on Debian shipp

Re: RFS: mimms - MMS (mms://) streaming media download utility

2004-03-22 Thread Wesley J Landaker
On Sunday 07 March 2004 9:59 pm, Wesley J Landaker wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm looking for a sponsor for the mimms package. This upload would > close ITP bug #221806. I've gettextized mimms, so now have a new version available that has i18n support for all of it's messages. > Source and binary pa

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2004-03-22 Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:26:49PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: > [libtool brokenness] > >> Yes, it did :-|. Could you point me to a documentation where I could > >> read about these problems, and

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Roger Leigh
Alexander Winston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 20:54 +, Roger Leigh wrote: > >> On a related note, I'd also be very happy if it was a requirement to >> build libraries with a miniumum of "-g -ggdb -gdwarf-2", and not strip >> them. We could provide some mechanism to aut

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Roger Leigh
Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Roger Leigh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> I used a statically-linked binary just a few days ago. I needed to >> resize an NTFS partition on a newly-delivered system which came with >> Windows XP. In the event, I was able to get a statically linked >>

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Roger Leigh
Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Scott James Remnant ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> > But shipping .la files in non-dev packages should still be a hanging >> > offense. >> >> Plugins using libltdl probably need them ... though not until some of >> the more exotic ports come to fruition

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Anibal Monsalve Salazar
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 05:26:39PM -0500, Stephen Frost wrote: >* Roger Leigh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >>I used a statically-linked binary just a few days ago. I needed to >>resize an NTFS partition on a newly-delivered system which came with >>Windows XP. In the event, I was able to get a stat

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Stephen Frost
* Roger Leigh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I'm not 100% sure but I actually thought that's what OpenLDAP used > > (libltdl) and it works just fine w/o the stupid .la files. > > Have you actually *used* libltdl yourself? For several reasons, it's > oft

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Stephen Frost
* Bernhard R. Link ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > * Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [040322 21:14]: > > Pffft. Honestly, I think that claim of end-users and local > > administrators using static libraries is rather dated and rarely the > > case these days. > > I do not know, if they are used to

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Stephen Frost
* Anibal Monsalve Salazar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 05:26:39PM -0500, Stephen Frost wrote: > >Boot Knoppix or similar from a CD. PCs today are more often installed > >with CDs than floppies anyway. That's really a pretty poor reason. > > I cannot use a Knoppix CD to re

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Stephen Frost
* Roger Leigh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Consider this situation: Situations can be derived for anything. :) > > Joe Average installs Debian which *handles* all of the dependencies. > > Come on, this isn't even a reason to keep them. > > What about users who don't run Debian, or who don't run

Re: Need a sponsor to upload #234303

2004-03-22 Thread Everton da Silva Marques
Hi Mentors, I have added minimum support for both PHP and Perl into ruli-0.19. The new Debian packages are uploaded to mentors.debian.net and are also available in the usual place: http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/ruli/ I have a signature of [EMAIL PROTECTED] on my gpg key. I suppose that is

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 08:54:17PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > I used a statically-linked binary just a few days ago. I needed to > resize an NTFS partition on a newly-delivered system which came with > Windows XP. In the event, I was able to get a statically linked > binary, copy it onto a flop

Advice on adopting a package: relay-ctrl

2004-03-22 Thread Brian T Glenn
I have submitted an ITA (Bug#238972), but the original RFA is Bug#238972. I have new packages created for relay-ctrl at the current version per the RFA. I attempted to contact the current maintainer, but i have received no response after a few days. What else should I be doing in order to execute

Re: Should I always clean in debian/rules before making binary?

2004-03-22 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Bob Proulx] > There appear to be three cases. > > 1. The developer wrote the Makefiles by hand and did not supply any >support for DESTDIR natively. Actually there is also: 1a. The developer wrote Makefiles by hand, but also happens to have a clue, so at some point added DESTDIR su

uploaded my pim project to mentors.debian.net

2004-03-22 Thread Tom Ballard
Forum: http://mentors.debian.net/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=35&sid=d33a77afe7960fb079f69e21927abb6f Also: http://freshmet.net/projects/pim-tb http://freshmeat.net/screenshots/45596/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/pim-tb I'm working on the 1.5 version. The package name is "pim" which is somewhat gene

Re: Should I recommend "less" if I use it in some scripts?

2004-03-22 Thread Michael Koch
Am Montag, 22. März 2004 10:25 schrieb Number Six: > Some of the scripts I include with my package use "less" (as well as > "sed", "tr", and "grep"). I know for a fact "less" is not installed > by default. (Not sure about this others). > > Should every little "ordinary" thing like less be include

Re: Should I recommend "less" if I use it in some scripts?

2004-03-22 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Number Six <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Should every little "ordinary" thing like less be included in my > Recommends? It's surely not germane to the package, but if it's not > there, these little scripts will break. If your package needs something that is not Essential you must declare a Depe

Re: Should I recommend "less" if I use it in some scripts?

2004-03-22 Thread David Weinehall
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 01:25:47AM -0800, Number Six wrote: > Some of the scripts I include with my package use "less" (as well as > "sed", "tr", and "grep"). I know for a fact "less" is not installed by > default. (Not sure about this others). > > Should every little "ordinary" thing like les

Should I recommend "less" if I use it in some scripts?

2004-03-22 Thread Number Six
Some of the scripts I include with my package use "less" (as well as "sed", "tr", and "grep"). I know for a fact "less" is not installed by default. (Not sure about this others). Should every little "ordinary" thing like less be included in my Recommends? It's surely not germane to the packa

Re: Should I recommend "less" if I use it in some scripts?

2004-03-22 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2004-03-22 Number Six <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some of the scripts I include with my package use "less" (as well as > "sed", "tr", and "grep"). I know for a fact "less" is not installed by > default. (Not sure about this others). > Should every little "ordinary" thing like less be inclu

Re: Should I recommend "less" if I use it in some scripts?

2004-03-22 Thread Cosimo Alfarano
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 01:25:47AM -0800, Number Six wrote: > Should every little "ordinary" thing like less be included in my > Recommends? It's surely not germane to the package, but if it's not Why not use sensible-pager, in debianutils (Essential: yes)? cheers, c. -- To UNSUBSCR

Howto use misc:Depends? [was Re: Should I recommend "less" if I use it in some scripts?]

2004-03-22 Thread Number Six
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 11:03:58AM +0100, Michael Koch wrote: > Am Montag, 22. März 2004 10:25 schrieb Number Six: > > Some of the scripts I include with my package use "less" (as well as > > "sed", "tr", and "grep"). I know for a fact "less" is not installed > > by default. (Not sure about this

Should I always clean in debian/rules before making binary?

2004-03-22 Thread Number Six
I have an automake project that I've also run dh_make on. If I just run: ./configure, the default {prefix} is "/usr/local", which is the way I want it. If I then run "fakeroot debian/rules binary", the binary debian package will install itself to /usr/local. If I "make clean; fakeroot debian/ru

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Sunday 21 March 2004 20.49, Stephen Frost wrote: > .la files shouldn't be included in anything, they're just plain broken. 940 .la files on my system. Report bugs? /usr/lib/rep/... /usr/lib/libkabc_ldapkio.la /usr/lib/libesd.la /usr/lib/libkwireless.la usr/lib/gimp/1.3/modules/... /usr/lib/kd

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Stephen Frost
* Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sunday 21 March 2004 20.49, Stephen Frost wrote: > > > .la files shouldn't be included in anything, they're just plain broken. > > 940 .la files on my system. Report bugs? [...] > So either you don't mean that absolutely, or t

Re: Should I always clean in debian/rules before making binary?

2004-03-22 Thread Frank Küster
Number Six <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > I have an automake project that I've also run dh_make on. > > If I just run: ./configure, the default {prefix} is "/usr/local", > which is the way I want it. > > If I then run "fakeroot debian/rules binary", the binary debian package > will install itself

Re: Howto use misc:Depends? [was Re: Should I recommend "less" if I use it in some scripts?]

2004-03-22 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 02:37:48AM -0800, Number Six wrote: > I would prefer to have "less" be picked up by misc:Depends, I guess, > rather than explicitly adding it to the Depends line. No, you should add it explicitly; misc:Depends belongs to debhelper. However, I agree that you should refer to

Re: Should I always clean in debian/rules before making binary?

2004-03-22 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 03:19:55PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: > - In the install target, you would call something like > > $(MAKE) install prefix=debian/tmp/usr It's easier to use DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp if DESTDIR support is available; that way you get less confused by /etc. > - From a p

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Frank Küster
Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > * Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> On Sunday 21 March 2004 20.49, Stephen Frost wrote: >> >> > .la files shouldn't be included in anything, they're just plain broken. >> >> 940 .la files on my system. Report bugs? > [

updating gdal library

2004-03-22 Thread Silke Reimer
Hallo! I am the maintainer of gdal and since a new upstream version is available I want to build a new pacakge. Now I have the following problems: First I don't know how to fill the Depends for libgdal1-dev correctly. http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html#AEN75 e

Re: updating gdal library

2004-03-22 Thread Andreas Metzler
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:39:19PM +0100, Silke Reimer wrote: > First I don't know how to fill the Depends for libgdal1-dev > correctly. > http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html#AEN75 > explains the following: > > """ > The -dev package should depend on

Re: Should I always clean in debian/rules before making binary?

2004-03-22 Thread Frank Küster
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 03:19:55PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: >> - In the install target, you would call something like >> >> $(MAKE) install prefix=debian/tmp/usr > > It's easier to use DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp if DESTDIR support is > available;

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Re: Should I always clean in debian/rules before making binary?

2004-03-22 Thread Bob Proulx
Frank Küster wrote: > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > It's easier to use DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp if DESTDIR support is > > available; that way you get less confused by /etc. > [..] > Hm, how do I know (other by trial and error) whether a package supports > this? autoconf'iscated

Re: Should I always clean in debian/rules before making binary?

2004-03-22 Thread elijah wright
frank, can i beg you to doublecheck the way your last name is encoded in your email client? it corrupts the screen state in pine EVERY time i get one of your email messages... mutt doesn't get corrupted, but it shows me a big fat questionmark instead of the letter between "K" and "s" in your la

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Andreas Metzler
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:26:49PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: > Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > * Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >> On Sunday 21 March 2004 20.49, Stephen Frost wrote: > >> > >> > .la files shouldn't be included in anything, they're

Re: updating gdal library

2004-03-22 Thread Silke Reimer
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:49:51PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:39:19PM +0100, Silke Reimer wrote: > > First I don't know how to fill the Depends for libgdal1-dev > > correctly. > > http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html#AEN75 > > explai

Re: Should I always clean in debian/rules before making binary?

2004-03-22 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
elijah wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > frank, can i beg you to doublecheck the way your last name is encoded in > your email client? it corrupts the screen state in pine EVERY time i get > one of your email messages... mutt doesn't get corrupted, but it shows me > a big fat questionmark inst

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Frank Küster
Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Basically the essence of the mess is #191425. If libfoo links against > libbar and application blah makes use of libfoo (but does not use > libbar) libtool will link the application against both libraries. [...] O.k., understood. > Now libtool gets th

Re: Should I always clean in debian/rules before making binary?

2004-03-22 Thread Frank Küster
elijah wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > frank, can i beg you to doublecheck the way your last name is encoded in > your email client? As I see it, it is From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Frank_K=FCster?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Although I'd prefer From: Frank =?iso-8859-1?q?K=FCster?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Character encoding (was: Should I always clean...)

2004-03-22 Thread Matt Brubeck
elijah wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > alternatively, can someone suggest a solution to the screen > corruption? i think what might be happening is that the letter in > question is taking two cells on the screen instead of the ONE that > it should take up... It sounds like Pine is sending

Re: Should I always clean in debian/rules before making binary?

2004-03-22 Thread Rene Engelhard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [ read http://learn.to.quote ] Hi, elijah wright wrote: > frank, can i beg you to doublecheck the way your last name is encoded in > your email client? it corrupts the screen state in pine EVERY time i get > one of your email messages... mutt doesn

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Andreas Metzler
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 06:28:43PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: > Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > > Personally I think the payoff is ok, due to dlopen in glibc (NSS, > > iconv) static linking is unreliable anyway. > This I don't understand. What is the relation between dlopen cal

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Roger Leigh
Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > We shouldn't be recommending providing staticlly linked libs for people > to use, even in the 'fast moving' case- if it's that fast then it > probably shouldn't be in Debian and that's just life. > > .la files shouldn't be included in anything, they're j

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Stephen Frost
* Roger Leigh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > We shouldn't be recommending providing staticlly linked libs for people > > to use, even in the 'fast moving' case- if it's that fast then it > > probably shouldn't be in Debian and that's just life. > > > > .l

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Matt Brubeck
Stephen Frost wrote: > We shouldn't be shipping or using static libraries. Why not? I know we shouldn't be linking to static libraries in our packaged software, but having the static libraries available is important for some end-users and local administrators. Debian Policy section 8.3 says,

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Stephen Frost
* Matt Brubeck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Stephen Frost wrote: > > We shouldn't be shipping or using static libraries. > > Why not? I know we shouldn't be linking to static libraries in our > packaged software, but having the static libraries available is > important for some end-users and loca

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [040322 21:14]: > Pffft. Honestly, I think that claim of end-users and local > administrators using static libraries is rather dated and rarely the > case these days. I do not know, if they are used to make any programs intended for production use any more,

Re: Should I always clean in debian/rules before making binary?

2004-03-22 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As I see it, it is > From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Frank_K=FCster?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, that's how I see it as well. My previous reply was based on the fact that my Gnus surprised me by showing the From-field correctly, if it is encoded, but NOT showing To, C

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 08:18:35PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > We shouldn't be recommending providing staticlly linked libs for people > > to use, even in the 'fast moving' case- if it's that fast then it > > probably shouldn't be in Debian and that's

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Sun, 2004-03-21 at 19:49, Stephen Frost wrote: > We shouldn't be recommending providing staticlly linked libs for people > to use, even in the 'fast moving' case- if it's that fast then it > probably shouldn't be in Debian and that's just life. > > .la files shouldn't be included in anything,

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 21:29, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 08:18:35PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > > Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > We shouldn't be recommending providing staticlly linked libs for people > > > to use, even in the 'fast moving' case- if it's tha

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Roger Leigh
Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Matt Brubeck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> Stephen Frost wrote: >> > We shouldn't be shipping or using static libraries. >> >> Why not? I know we shouldn't be linking to static libraries in our >> packaged software, but having the static libraries av

Re: Development packages.

2004-03-22 Thread Roger Leigh
Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:26:49PM +0100, Frank KÃster wrote: [libtool brokenness] >> Yes, it did :-|. Could you point me to a documentation where I could >> read about these problems, and under what weird circumstances it will be >> a bug nevertheles

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