Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-08 Thread skaller
On Sun, 2005-08-07 at 21:09 +0200, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: > The program will be in contrib because of non-free JDK's, please, have a > look at the Java Trap to understand what the (our) problem is with Java: > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html A perfectly good description of why GPL sof

Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-07 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Bas Wijnen wrote: [...] > I very much value (in GNU's words) "The freedom to study how the program > works, and adapt it to your needs". Therefore none of my sources.lists have > contrib in them. I don't want to use a program, just to find that I cannot > reasonably modify it when I feel the need

Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-07 Thread Bas Wijnen
Hi, While completely off-topic (at least for -mentors), I still feel the need to respond to this. The DFSG defines what free software is. An important freedom (IMO) is #3, the freedom to modify the program and distribute modifications. However, this freedom is pretty useless (to people who want

Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-07 Thread Joe Smith
Just to chime in: IMNSHO: It really makes little difference if software is packaged in main or contrib. The way I see it both have software available under a DFSG-complient licence. Because sometimes there is software in contrib that actually is usable without non-free software, although it use

Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-06 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Aug 06, 2005 at 10:59:08PM +0100, Andrew Saunders wrote: > > In the meantime I've found something about the copyrighted files from sun. > > Actually these files are part of the official j2sdk! The contens of > > win/include seems to be just a copy of my /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/include. > > Bu

Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-06 Thread Bastian Venthur
Hi Andrew and Mentors, Andrew Saunders wrote: > On 8/6/05, Bastian Venthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Fine, for me that's a good start. I'd like to package tvbrowser as >> non-free at the first run and in the meantime try to convince upstream to >> substitute this non-free-images with free

Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-06 Thread Andrew Saunders
On 8/6/05, Bastian Venthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fine, for me that's a good start. I'd like to package tvbrowser as non-free > at the first run and in the meantime try to convince upstream to substitute > this non-free-images with free ones in the next version. If they don't want > to do so

Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-06 Thread Bastian Venthur
Hi Andrew and Mentors, Andrew Saunders wrote: > On 8/6/05, Bastian Venthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> 2) The gifs are free! > > Unfortunately not. :-( Try actually downloading the graphics from that > site using the link provided, and you're forced to accept the > following license agreemen

Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-06 Thread MJ Ray
Bastian Venthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > because even if I've cleaned up the whole sources, there would still be > the .orig.tar.gz where all this copyrighted stuff is in. There is a target in debian/rules which can sift the upstream tarball to produce an .orig.tar.gz if needed. Most oft

Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-06 Thread Andrew Saunders
On 8/6/05, Bastian Venthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2) The gifs are free! Unfortunately not. :-( Try actually downloading the graphics from that site using the link provided, and you're forced to accept the following license agreement: --- SUN IS WILLING TO MAKE THE ACCOMPANYING SOFTWARE GRA

Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-06 Thread Bastian Venthur
Andrew Saunders wrote: [...] > But having had a quick peek inside the orig.tar.gz, it looks like > there's stuff in there that renders it completely undistributable, > even from non-free. Everything under win/include/ contains: > > * Copyright 1997-1999 by Sun Microsystems, Inc., > * 901 San An

Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-06 Thread Y Giridhar Appaji Nag
On 05/08/06 18:20 +0200, Philipp Kern said ... > On Aug 6, 2005, at 6:09 PM, Bastian Venthur wrote: > > I wonder, because even if I've cleaned up the whole sources, there > > would still be the .orig.tar.gz where all this copyrighted stuff is > > in. > > You just encountered the case where you nee

Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-06 Thread Philipp Kern
On Aug 6, 2005, at 6:09 PM, Bastian Venthur wrote: I wonder, because even if I've cleaned up the whole sources, there would still be the .orig.tar.gz where all this copyrighted stuff is in. You just encountered the case where you need to repackage the source code, with the non-free parts re

Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-06 Thread Bastian Venthur
Andrew Saunders wrote: [...] > But having had a quick peek inside the orig.tar.gz, it looks like > there's stuff in there that renders it completely undistributable, > even from non-free. Everything under win/include/ contains: > > * Copyright 1997-1999 by Sun Microsystems, Inc., > * 901 San An

Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-06 Thread Andrew Saunders
On 8/5/05, Bastian Venthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I package the client -- I did not even note, that upstream also provides a > server, but as far as I (now) understand, the server is a tool to provide > the data, so users of tvbrowser can use them. If this is correct, I provide > only the se

Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-05 Thread Bastian Venthur
Bastian Venthur wrote: > Arnaud Vandyck wrote: >> Bastian Venthur wrote: >>> Hi Mentors, >> >> Hi Bastian (don't know if you read the list so I'm cc'ing) > > > Hi Arnaud, hi Mentors, > > at first: thanks for answering my RFS > >>> I've packaged[1] tvbrowser[2], which cloeses #321230[3] and am

Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-05 Thread Bastian Venthur
Arnaud Vandyck wrote: > Bastian Venthur wrote: >> Hi Mentors, > > Hi Bastian (don't know if you read the list so I'm cc'ing) Hi Arnaud, hi Mentors, at first: thanks for answering my RFS >> I've packaged[1] tvbrowser[2], which cloeses #321230[3] and am now >> seeking for a sponsor. >> >> This

Re: Processed: Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-05 Thread Stefan Fritsch
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Processed: Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > merge 321230 265711 Bug#265711: RFP: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide Bug#321230: ITP: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide Merged 265711 321230. > retitle 265711 ITP: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide Bug#265

Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-05 Thread Stefan Fritsch
merge 321230 265711 retitle 265711 ITP: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide thanks Hi, > I've packaged[1] tvbrowser[2], which cloeses #321230[3] and am now > seeking for a sponsor. Hint: Look for an existing "Request for package" bug and retitle it instead of filing a new ITP bug.

Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-05 Thread Philipp Kern
On Aug 5, 2005, at 9:51 PM, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: I see there is a client and a server, do you package the client or the server or both? There is no sense in packaging the server currently, as normally users are not allowed to use the data sources. The data itself is free only for the users

Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-05 Thread elijah wright
ant, j2sdk1.4 and j2sdk1.5 are in contrib or non-free so your package couldn't go to main. (ant is moving to main, but j2sdk1.x are not!) The section (in debian/control:Section) should be contrib/utils Did you tried to build/run it with free tools (kaffe, jamvm, sablevm, gcj/gij, jikes, etc.

Re: RFS: tvbrowser -- TV-Browser is a java-based TV guide

2005-08-05 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Bastian Venthur wrote: > Hi Mentors, Hi Bastian (don't know if you read the list so I'm cc'ing) > I've packaged[1] tvbrowser[2], which cloeses #321230[3] and am now seeking > for a sponsor. > > This is my first debian-package, build from scratch. It is linda- and > lintian clean. I've contact to