Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-14 Thread Florian Weimer
* Glenn Maynard: > It requires preserving any section titled "History", required adding > it if it's not there, and requires adding stuff to it. I agree that this is quite annoying, but the GPL has similar requirements, although the community at large does not comply with them. -- To UNSUBSCRI

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-14 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
Anthony Towns wrote: >> The Project essentially told us our conclusion ??? the GFDL is not free ?= >> is wrong in the case where there are no invariant sections.=20 > > So, debian-legal is "us", leaving the rest of the project to be > "them"? Well, several of the loudest squallers over-interpretin

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-14 Thread MJ Ray
Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 01:09:43AM +, MJ Ray wrote: > > The practical problems beyond the DFSG have always been something > > we commented in, but not a direct freedom problem themselves. The > > FSF used to do this too - see their criticism of obnoxious

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-14 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 08:46:16AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > > It requires preserving any section titled "History", required adding > > it if it's not there, and requires adding stuff to it. > > I agree that this is quite annoying, but the GPL has similar > requirements, although the communit

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-14 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 10:28:06AM +, MJ Ray wrote: > Not a stupid label in general, but a stupid label for licences. There's > always a UW. Using the DFSG as some sort of licence certification > scheme is a really bad idea and organisations that try to do so should > die messily. Please let's

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-14 Thread MJ Ray
Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 10:28:06AM +, MJ Ray wrote: > > Not a stupid label in general, but a stupid label for licences. [...] > > Please let's concentrate on the software: it's worth looking > > at licences, but software is the thing of interest. > > [...

Is the GUST-FONT-NOSOURCE-LICENSE free?

2006-03-14 Thread Frank Küster
Hi, this is an earnest question, the "NOSOURCE" in the name is misleading. The license can be found at ftp://tug.ctan.org/pub/tex-archive/fonts/antt/doc/fonts/antt/GUST-FONT-NOSOURCE-LICENSE.txt and is quite short: %%% This is a preliminary version, barring acceptance from the LaTeX %%% Projec

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-14 Thread Raul Miller
On 3/13/06, Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 10:34:16PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > On 3/13/06, Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Debian has labelled a license with serious, onerous practical problems > > > free. ... > > I see two issues mentioned i

Re: Is the GUST-FONT-NOSOURCE-LICENSE free?

2006-03-14 Thread Joe Smith
"Frank Küster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Except for the source issue. The concrete example, as you might have guessed, are the ANTP fonts, which are available as PostScript Type1, TrueType and OpenType fonts. I have heard a talk of the author, Janusz Nowac

How to free GFDL'ed documents with existing Front Cover texts

2006-03-14 Thread Frank Küster
Hi, assume a document licensed under GFDL, with no invariant sections (and ...) has a front cover text (like "A GNU Manual") and a back cover text (like "You have freedom to copy and modify this GNU Manual, like GNU software. Copies published by the Free Software Foundation raise funds for GNU de

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-14 Thread Joe Smith
""Claus Färber"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are two assumptions here that are wrong: . US residents can only be sued in US courts. . US courts can only decide on US copyright law. Speaking of which, are there any cases in which a US court has made a

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-14 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 03:06:58PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > For the DRM issue to be significant, we'd have to have reason to > believe that a judge would not be familiar with the legal meaning of > the phrase "technical measures" in the context of copyright law. > Other meanings of "technical me

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-14 Thread MJ Ray
"Raul Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For the DRM issue to be significant, we'd have to have reason to > believe that a judge would not be familiar with the legal meaning of > the phrase "technical measures" in the context of copyright law. >From the EUCD (2001/29/EC) Article 6 (3), we have in Engli

Re: better licence for fosdem, debconf, .., videos...

2006-03-14 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 01:45:55 + MJ Ray wrote: > Francesco Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...] > > It speaks about "false attribution": I cannot imagine how stating > > "This image is based on the desk image created by Bob" could be > > considered as false attribution... > > I repeat: I think it dep

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-14 Thread Raul Miller
On 3/14/06, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Raul Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For the DRM issue to be significant, we'd have to have reason to > > believe that a judge would not be familiar with the legal meaning of > > the phrase "technical measures" in the context of copyright law. > > >F

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-14 Thread Raul Miller
On 3/14/06, Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 03:06:58PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > For the DRM issue to be significant, we'd have to have reason to > > believe that a judge would not be familiar with the legal meaning of > > the phrase "technical measures" in th

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-14 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 07:15:21PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > On 3/14/06, Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Encrypting a document (whether via GPG or HTTPS) sure seems like a technical > > measure to obstruct the reading of copies. > > In the general case, this is not a technical measu

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-14 Thread Raul Miller
On 3/14/06, Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (I don't think any special attempt to prevent the technical measures > themselves are necessary, since the GPL's source requirements already > did that: an encrypted, locked, unmodifiable copy is not source.) Ok, but the legal right to modify

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-14 Thread MJ Ray
"Raul Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 3/14/06, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From the EUCD (2001/29/EC) Article 6 (3), we have in English English: > >the expression "technological measures" means any technology, device or > >component that, in the normal course of its operation, is

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-14 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 09:29:40PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > On 3/14/06, Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (I don't think any special attempt to prevent the technical measures > > themselves are necessary, since the GPL's source requirements already > > did that: an encrypted, locked,

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-14 Thread Raul Miller
On 3/14/06, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Raul Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > File permissions have little or nothing to do with enforcing copyright. > > > > File permissions are an all or nothing mechanism. You either have > > given a person a copy of the copyrighted material, or you have

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-14 Thread Raul Miller
On 3/14/06, Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The GFDL specifically says that it must "clearly and legibly identify you". > Ambiguity and clarity are opposites, and pseudonyms do not identify you. My dad's name is "Ron Miller". Are you claiming that his name does not identify him? There

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-14 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 10:37:07PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > On 3/14/06, Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The GFDL specifically says that it must "clearly and legibly identify you". > > Ambiguity and clarity

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-14 Thread Walter Landry
"Raul Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/14/06, Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 03:06:58PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > > And the Opaque issue only applies when the transparent copies are not > > > distributed. It's simple enough to include the transpar

Re: Results for Debian's Position on the GFDL

2006-03-14 Thread Michael Poole
Raul Miller writes: > File permissions have little or nothing to do with enforcing copyright. > > File permissions are an all or nothing mechanism. You either have > given a person a copy of the copyrighted material, or you have not. Things like the execute bit, not to mention ACLs like those s