Re: cdrecord: weird GPL interpretation

2004-09-03 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Bernhard R. Link wrote: > * M?ns Rullg?rd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [040902 17:11]: > > > In particular, he seems to be relying on German "Authors' Rights", and > > > claims to be in discussion with Debian people. That's nearly a month > > > ago. > > > > More specifically, he claims to be in discussion

Re: cdrecord: weird GPL interpretation

2004-09-03 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 02:12:54PM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote: > On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 04:30:04PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > > [1] http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/legal.html#10.2 > > > > (Accusing Free Software programmers of "perverting" the license by doing > > things they were clearly gr

Re: cdrecord: weird GPL interpretation

2004-09-03 Thread Andreas Metzler
Brian Thomas Sniffen alum.mit.edu> writes: [...] > On the other hand, I find this message interesting: > > http://lkml.org/lkml/2004/8/19/111 > > In particular, he seems to be relying on German "Authors' Rights", and > claims to be in discussion with Debian people. That's nearly a month > ago

Re: cdrecord: weird GPL interpretation

2004-09-03 Thread Andreas Metzler
Brian Thomas Sniffen alum.mit.edu> writes: > Raul Miller debian.org> writes: [...] > There's an additional problem: cdrtools, at least as Debian > distributes it, uses some code for which Schilling is not the > copyright holder. The HFS support, for example, is copyright Robert > Leslie, and lic

Re: cdrecord: weird GPL interpretation

2004-09-03 Thread Andreas Metzler
Raul Miller debian.org> writes: [...] > I've taken a look at a copy from January, and it has the same problem. > I don't know how far back we'd have to go to find a legally distributable > copy. Probably February or January 2002. cu andreas

Re: cdrecord: weird GPL interpretation

2004-09-03 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian Thomas Sniffen alum.mit.edu> writes: >> Raul Miller debian.org> writes: > [...] >> There's an additional problem: cdrtools, at least as Debian >> distributes it, uses some code for which Schilling is not the >> copyright holder. The HFS suppor

Re: cdrecord: weird GPL interpretation

2004-09-03 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 09:24:00AM -0400, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: > > The two issues mentioned in this thread influence different parts of > > cdrtools: > > > > * defaults.c /* > > * WARNING you are only allowed to change this filename if you also > > > This one is used and lin

Re: cdrecord: weird GPL interpretation

2004-09-03 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 10:09:31AM +, Andreas Metzler wrote: > The second issue > * If you modify cdrecord you need to include additional version > * printing code that [...] > in cdrecord/cdrecord.c only applies to cdrecord which is completely > copyrighted > by JS. Therefor

status of license for pyMPI

2004-09-03 Thread Faheem Mitha
Hi, The pyMPI (http://sourceforge.net/projects/pympi/) license says the following. I think this is non-free under the DFSG, but I would like a confirmation. I think that the non-commercial clause by itself violates point 6, "No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor", right? But the wording see

Re: Suggestions of David Nusinow, was: RPSL and DFSG-compliance - choice of venue

2004-09-03 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Aug 25, 2004, at 16:52, Matthew Garrett wrote: You believe that there are some languages that are inherently non-free? I'm still waiting to hear an example of something that patch clauses actually make impossible. I saw, at one point, a book (i.e., an actual dead tree book) which containe

Re: status of license for pyMPI

2004-09-03 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sep 3, 2004, at 16:26, Faheem Mitha wrote: Hi, The pyMPI (http://sourceforge.net/projects/pympi/) license says the following. I can't find anything in there that grants rights to distribute this software. Without that, it can't even go into non-free. [cc'd as requested to [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: cdrecord: weird GPL interpretation

2004-09-03 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Because "fee" is an English word meaning a payment for a good or service. It really doesn't mean "money only," in any context where precise language is used. If I have to perform in some way to obtain a license, then that's a fee. Do you have a better word, taking brevity and clarity into accoun

Re: cdrecord: weird GPL interpretation

2004-09-03 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 08:16:27PM -0400, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: > Because "fee" is an English word meaning a payment for a good or > service. It really doesn't mean "money only," in any context where > precise language is used. If I have to perform in some way to obtain > a license, then th

Re: cdrecord: weird GPL interpretation

2004-09-03 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 08:16:27PM -0400, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: > Because "fee" is an English word meaning a payment for a good or > service. It really doesn't mean "money only," in any context where > precise language is used. If I have to perform in some way to obtain > a license, then th

Re: status of license for pyMPI

2004-09-03 Thread Faheem Mitha
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Sep 3, 2004, at 16:26, Faheem Mitha wrote: Hi, The pyMPI (http://sourceforge.net/projects/pympi/) license says the following. I can't find anything in there that grants rights to distribute this software. Without that, it can't even go in

Re: cdrecord: weird GPL interpretation

2004-09-03 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 08:16:27PM -0400, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: >> Because "fee" is an English word meaning a payment for a good or >> service. It really doesn't mean "money only," in any context where >> precise language is used. If I have to perf

Re: status of license for pyMPI

2004-09-03 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
In any case, a requirement for notification is non-free. Even if it weren't strictly required, that kind of fuzzy undefined use of "commercial distribution" is a bit worrisome. -Brian -- Brian Sniffen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: cdrecord: weird GPL interpretation

2004-09-03 Thread Raul Miller
> >> Do you have a better word, taking brevity and clarity into account? > > > > Requirement. On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 11:00:28PM -0400, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: > That's a much broader word. For example, a license which says I may > only make modifications in French has a requirement, but that

Re: cdrecord: weird GPL interpretation

2004-09-03 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 11:00:28PM -0400, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 08:16:27PM -0400, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: > >> Because "fee" is an English word meaning a payment for a good or > >> service. It really doesn't mean "money only," in any context where > >> precise