Re: Draft Summary: MPL is not DFSG free

2004-06-12 Thread Mahesh T. Pai
Lex Spoon said on Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 05:43:31PM -0400,: > A license text is simply a proposed contract, Right and wrong. A document allowing your neighbout over your property is a contract. The law relating to immoveable property (real property) calls it a license. Its validi

Re: How to proceed with an ITP of questionably licensed software?

2004-06-12 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 01:02:08AM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > > Do you really want to package software if you can't even make contact > with the author? > Man, there are a lots of stable old softwares without an active/known upstream around in Debian since ages. -- Francesco P. Lovergine

Re: Draft Summary: MPL is not DFSG free

2004-06-12 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 09:49:36PM +, Jim Marhaus wrote: > Hi all - > > The consensus from debian-legal archives and current discussion seems to be > the > MPL is non-free. Below is a summary of reasons, compiled from commentary on > the > MPL and the similar Nokia license reviewed last Augu

Re: Draft Summary: MPL is not DFSG free

2004-06-12 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 01:23:37PM +0200, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: > Alternatively, the contents of this file may be used under the terms > of the GNU General Public License (the "GPL"), in which case the > provisions of GPL are applicable instead of those above. If you wish > to allow use

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Re: Creative Commons Attribution license element

2004-06-12 Thread Evan Prodromou
> "NN" == Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: NN> Actually, I think most of clause 4b is fine; it's only one NN> little bit of it which is troublesome. Thanks for your close attention. This is really helpful. 4b> to the extent reasonably practicable, the Uniform Resource

Re: Creative Commons Attribution license element

2004-06-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 02:15:37PM -0400, Evan Prodromou wrote: > One thing that bothers me, though, is how this becomes 'barely > free'. I realize that it may be *annoying* or *stupid*, but how is it > *non-free*? I understand how *excessive* conditions on modifications > may make something non-fr

Re: Creative Commons Attribution license element

2004-06-12 Thread Evan Prodromou
> "AS" == Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Me> One thing that bothers me, though, is how this becomes 'barely Me> free'. AS> Freedom is a binary test; a work is either free, or it is AS> not. There is no "partially free" or "semi-free". So "barely AS> free" is "

Re: Draft Summary: MPL is not DFSG free

2004-06-12 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 10:45:48PM +0530, Mahesh T. Pai wrote: > Jim Marhaus said on Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 09:49:36PM +,: > > > 1. Firebird Database > > > http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/f/firebird/firebird_1.0.2-2.1/copyright > > Something wrong here?? > Interbase Public

Re: Draft Summary: MPL is not DFSG free

2004-06-12 Thread Lex Spoon
Brian Thomas Sniffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You think it's beneficial. Reasonable people might disagree. Thus, > while you might accept such a contract, it's not a free license. It > is always beneficial to receive software under a free license. I disagree; obtaining software under a DFSG

Re: Draft Summary: MPL is not DFSG free

2004-06-12 Thread Lex Spoon
Brian Thomas Sniffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are exceptionally confused. A contract is a legal agreement, with > specific requirements -- typically agreement, compensation, and a few > less famous ones. > > A license is a grant of permission. Much like a title or deed, a > license may b

Re: Draft Summary: MPL is not DFSG free

2004-06-12 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Matthew Palmer wrote: > I'm pretty sure though, > that absent a decision from a higher court, a court can choose to hear any > case it wants to -- if that court decides to hear your case, either you > appear or you're toast.  Different courts just have different rules about > what constitutes a va

Re: Creative Commons Attribution license element

2004-06-12 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Evan Prodromou wrote: >> "NN" == Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > NN> Actually, I think most of clause 4b is fine; it's only one > NN> little bit of it which is troublesome. > > Thanks for your close attention. This is really helpful. > > 4b> to the extent reas

Re: Creative Commons Attribution license element

2004-06-12 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Evan Prodromou wrote: >> "AS" == Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Me> One thing that bothers me, though, is how this becomes 'barely > Me> free'. > > AS> Freedom is a binary test; a work is either free, or it is > AS> not. There is no "partially free" or "semi-

Re: Draft Summary: MPL is not DFSG free

2004-06-12 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Lex Spoon wrote: > Brian Thomas Sniffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: *snip* >> Almost all free licenses are not contracts. I cannot think of any >> Free license which *is* a contract, but there might, I suppose, be one >> out there. Given American law requires an exchange, I can't see how. > > Wh

Re: Draft Summary: MPL is not DFSG free

2004-06-12 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
"Lex Spoon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian Thomas Sniffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You think it's beneficial. Reasonable people might disagree. Thus, >> while you might accept such a contract, it's not a free license. It >> is always beneficial to receive software under a free license