>>>>> "AS" == Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Me> One thing that bothers me, though, is how this becomes 'barely Me> free'. AS> Freedom is a binary test; a work is either free, or it is AS> not. There is no "partially free" or "semi-free". So "barely AS> free" is "free, but very close to the line; make this any AS> stronger and it will be non-free". I understood that part. The part I don't understand is, what line does the URL requirement get close to? What is the line between acceptable modification restrictions and unacceptable ones? I'll try to present one dimension of modification restrictions, being what type of content those restrictions require to remain in the modified version: 1. No restrictions on modifications whatsoever. 2. Restrictions to make sure that downstream users get the following 4 things: copyright notices, license notification, changelogs, warranty disclaimers. 3. Restrictions to make sure that downstream users get general information about the work (metadata), including the above 4 things, but maybe perhaps some others. Examples: original author name, original work title, original metadata URL, bug-reporting site or address, main download site URL. 4. Restrictions that "protect" certain parts of the work itself (e.g., invariant sections). 5. Restrictions that prevent any modification of the work whatsoever. I'd posit that our line for free-vs.-non-free is between 3 and 4 here. Me> Would it be non-free because it's not possible for the licensee Me> to comply because the license is vague? AS> Licenses which are vague are particularly nasty, because you AS> can go with the "obvious" interpretation, and then get sued by AS> the copyright holder who turns out to have a different AS> one. Certainly we've had some copyright holders applying AS> strange interpretations to apparently free licenses before AS> now. To provide reasonable assurance to our users that AS> everything in main is free, we have to take the most AS> pessimistic interpretation, and see if that is free. Cool. So, if I can redirect back to the Attribution license, we have a worst-case interpretation with the Attribution license, where the author's credits have to be listed in _every_ place other credits are given, even if those places are possibly inconvenient (file name, work title). Even though it's vague (could mean "some" places, could mean "all" places), our New Math set theory teaches us that if we give credit in all places, we will have also have given credit in some places. So, by giving credit in _all_ places, we can comply. Now, given the "all places" idea: is that non-free? It may suck, but is it non-free? ~ESP -- Evan Prodromou Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]