Re: You can't get a copy unless you accept the GPL [was: Re: libkrb53 - odd license term]

2004-06-02 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Francesco Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > That is: I'm not required to accept the GPL if I simply want to download > (and install and use) a GPL'd piece of software. If you want to *download* the sofware, then you'd better do it by the GPL's terms. "Downloading" implies that you are instructi

Re: You can't get a copy unless you accept the GPL [was: Re: libkrb53 - odd license term]

2004-06-02 Thread Raul Miller
Scripsit Francesco Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > That is: I'm not required to accept the GPL if I simply want to download > > (and install and use) a GPL'd piece of software. On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 12:52:37PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > If you want to *download* the sofware, then you'd better

Re: You can't get a copy unless you accept the GPL [was: Re: libkrb53 - odd license term]

2004-06-02 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > If you want to *download* the sofware, then you'd better do it by the > GPL's terms. "Downloading" implies that you are instructing some > computer to make create a copy of the Work on your hard drive. Because > computers, legally speaking, do not *do* anythi

Re: You can't get a copy unless you accept the GPL [was: Re: libkrb53 - odd license term]

2004-06-02 Thread Francesco Poli
On 02 Jun 2004 12:52:37 +0100 Henning Makholm wrote: > If you want to *download* the sofware, then you'd better do it by the > GPL's terms. "Downloading" implies that you are instructing some > computer to make create a copy of the Work on your hard drive. Thus a downloaded package (e.g. from Deb

Re: You can't get a copy unless you accept the GPL [was: Re: libkrb53 - odd license term]

2004-06-02 Thread Adam McKenna
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 12:52:37PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Francesco Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > That is: I'm not required to accept the GPL if I simply want to download > > (and install and use) a GPL'd piece of software. > > If you want to *download* the sofware, then you'd

Re: You can't get a copy unless you accept the GPL [was: Re: libkrb53 - odd license term]

2004-06-02 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:27:28 +0100 Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: > It seems to me that the person who puts something on line is usually > regarded as the person doing the copying. That is indeed what I have thought till a few days ago... And it's still the most reasonable interpretation I can think

Re: Bug#251983: libcwd: QPL license is non-free; package should not be in main

2004-06-02 Thread martin f krafft
debian-legal, I am CC'ing y'all for hope of valuable input. Please refer to http://bugs.debian.org/251983 for a history of this discussion. It's about the QPL, specifically term 6c. and the choice of legal venue, which Nathanael claims to be in contradiction with the DFSG, but which has never real

Re: Bug#251983: libcwd: QPL license is non-free; package should not be in main

2004-06-02 Thread Glenn Maynard
(Nathanael dropped from CC; I'm fairly certain he's subscribed.) On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 11:33:14PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Carlo Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.06.01.1951 +0200]: > > The choice of law is my choice and not of the person who doesn't > > follow the rules of the l

Re: libkrb53 - odd license term

2004-06-02 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Glenn Maynard wrote: >OpenVision also retains copyright to derivative works of the Source >Code, whether created by OpenVision or by a third party. This sounds completely unacceptable, if it means what it says. It's also probably invalid in the US. Copyright assignments must be signed an

Re: libkrb53 - odd license term

2004-06-02 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-06-03 00:20:48 +0100 Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Perhaps it simply means that they retain copyright in their portions, not that they're stealing your derivative works. That would require a statement from the copyright holder before I'd belive it, though. As you note,

Re: A radical approach to rewriting the DFSG

2004-06-02 Thread Nathanael Nerode
>> Scripsit Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > I would be quite comfortable allowing patent "retaliation" >> > restrictions, but >> > only if they were very carefully tailored. Specifically, license >> > rights must terminate only if the work is alleged to constitute patent >> > infringem

Re: A radical approach to rewriting the DFSG

2004-06-02 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Glenn Maynard wrote: > As a brief observation unrelated to this subthread: this also implicitly > deals with the GPL#8 problem, by not requiring any special casing for > the GPL at all. > > On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 12:00:03AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: >> I'd like to append something like the f

Re: ipw2100 firmware distributable?

2004-06-02 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Sebastian Ley wrote: > Hello legal wizards, > > I need some advice about a license, my legal-english is not enough to > determine whether the ipw2100 (popular wifi chipset) firmware by Intel > is distributable in non-free. > > The license can be found here: > http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmw

Re: A radical approach to rewriting the DFSG

2004-06-02 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 08:12:28PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > It's been allowed mostly because they don't really enforce it. For > instance, Debian's modified version of Apache, which is a derived work, has > "apache" in its name. Furthermore, they've stated that they don't intend > to enfo

Re: A radical approach to rewriting the DFSG

2004-06-02 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 08:12:28PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: >> It's been allowed mostly because they don't really enforce it. For >> instance, Debian's modified version of Apache, which is a derived work, >> has >> "apache" in its name. Furthermore, they've stated th

Re: libkrb53 - odd license term

2004-06-02 Thread Walter Landry
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2004-06-03 00:20:48 +0100 Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Perhaps it simply means that they retain copyright in their portions, > > not > > that they're stealing your derivative works. That would require a > > statement from the copyrig

Re: A radical approach to rewriting the DFSG

2004-06-02 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 09:14:23PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > php4/copyright: may "PHP" appear in their name, without prior written I should have quoted this one in full: 4. Products derived from this software may not be called "PHP", nor may "PHP" appear in their name, without

Re: libkrb53 - odd license term

2004-06-02 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-06-03 02:19:55 +0100 Walter Landry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If they really meant to "steal" the work, then the whole license may be invalid. In which case, Debian has no permission to distribute at all. So I think a clarification is definitely in order. Why? What form should such a

Re: A radical approach to rewriting the DFSG

2004-06-02 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 09:14:23PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: >> > php4/copyright: may "PHP" appear in their name, without prior >> > written > > I should have quoted this one in full: > > 4. Products derived from this software may not be called "PHP", nor >

Re: libkrb53 - odd license term

2004-06-02 Thread Nathanael Nerode
MJ Ray wrote: > On 2004-06-03 02:19:55 +0100 Walter Landry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> If they really meant to "steal" the work, then the whole license may >> be invalid. In which case, Debian has no permission to distribute at >> all. So I think a clarification is definitely in order. > >