Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-11 Thread batist
On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 06:54, Branden Robinson wrote: > I think Jeremy's concerns about not reinforcing the meme of "DFSG as > strict ruleset" are quite valid, but I think it serves people well if we > cite the DFSG wherever applicable in our license analyses. It is also common courtesy among lawye

License for the Torque Resource Manager (RFC)

2004-03-11 Thread Roberto Gordo Saez
I would appreciate your comments and advice about the license for the Torque Resource Manager. Some background information that i've found: Torque is a product derived from the OpenPBS source. OpenPBS is a well known software package that is commonly used on HPC clusters, originally developed for

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-11 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Jeremy Hankins wrote: >> The interesting part of the claim in a summary isn't that >> restrictions on modifying make a license non-free, but that the >> license restricts modifying. The summary doesn't describe the DFSG, >> it descr

Re: License for the Torque Resource Manager (RFC)

2004-03-11 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-03-11 13:26:49 + Roberto Gordo Saez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | 5. Redistributions in any form must be accompanied by information on how to |obtain complete source code for the OpenPBS software and any |modifications and/or additions to the OpenPBS software. The source c

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-11 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If my opinion matters, I have to come down more on Don's side of this > disagreement. Hrmph. ;) > I think Jeremy's concerns about not reinforcing the meme of "DFSG as > strict ruleset" are quite valid, but I think it serves people well if > we cite

Re: License for the Torque Resource Manager (RFC)

2004-03-11 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Roberto Gordo Saez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > | 1. Commercial and/or non-commercial use of the Software is permitted > |provided a current software registration is on file at www.OpenPBS.org. > |If use of this software contributes to a publication, product, or > |service, proper att

Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested

2004-03-11 Thread Humberto Massa
Jeremy Hankins wrote: Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Jeremy Hankins wrote: This is a serious question: how does "(DFSG 3)" tacked on to the end of a sentence help to explain the issue? In the same way that a footnote or reference does. It's always appropriate t

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-11 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Jeremy Hankins wrote: > Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Jeremy Hankins wrote: > Perhaps [Bruce Perens] has a turing-complete compost heap as well? Way, way, OT, but it's pretty hard not to have a compost machine that does not contain universa

Re: License for the Torque Resource Manager (RFC)

2004-03-11 Thread Roberto Gordo Saez
On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 10:19:00AM -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: > > | 5. Redistributions in any form must be accompanied by information on how > > to > > |obtain complete source code for the OpenPBS software and any > > |modifications and/or additions to the OpenPBS software. The so

Re: License for the Torque Resource Manager (RFC)

2004-03-11 Thread Roberto Gordo Saez
On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 05:14:36PM +0100, Roberto Gordo Saez wrote: > > > | 5. Redistributions in any form must be accompanied by information on > > > how to > > > |obtain complete source code for the OpenPBS software and any > > > |modifications and/or additions to the OpenPBS software.

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-11 Thread Chris Waters
On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 10:17:25AM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: > My fear is that, as Don seems to be showing, people will oversimplify > and miss the limitations. Getting people to think in terms of > "modification" instead of "DFSG 3" seems useful. Hmm, I think I missed the start of this threa

[Maybe OT] License problem

2004-03-11 Thread Otto Wyss
I've started a new OpenSource project but can't decide which license is best suited. Since there isn't any other place to ask about licenses I ask it here even if its just partially interesting for Debian. In case there is a better place just say so. My project is OpenSource an should be Debian co

Re: [Maybe OT] License problem

2004-03-11 Thread John Goerzen
Hello Otto, Let me try to summarize your situation to make sure I understand: 1. You have a piece of software that you wish to be Open Source. 2. That software uses icons and images, which are interchangable as a theme. 3. You wish to allow companies to distribute their own icons and images

Re: License for the Torque Resource Manager (RFC)

2004-03-11 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Roberto Gordo Saez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> So it's definitely non-free, in addition to what you say below. I >> think I understand you to have said that conditions 1 and 2 don't >> apply any more; in that case, can you have the copyright holder remove >> them? That would be much, much mor

Re: License for the Torque Resource Manager (RFC)

2004-03-11 Thread Ben Pfaff
Roberto Gordo Saez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The source code for OpenPBS is available, but the current license is > not free (http://www.openpbs.org/license.html). This is almost the same > license that the one used in Torque, with a only a small but important > change; the license for Torque