Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-23 Thread Mathieu Roy
Etienne Gagnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > Mathieu Roy wrote: > >> > >>LOGICIEL: n.m. Ensemble de travaux de logique, d'analyse, de > >>programmation, nécessaires au fonctionnement d'un ensemble de > >>traitement de l'information (opposé à matériel) . > >> > >>(Emphasis mine). > >> > >>A tra

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-23 Thread Mathieu Roy
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > On 2003-09-22 15:14:45 +0100 Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does the DFSG definition of freedom that applies to program > > (nobody question that) help us to draw the line at the correct place > > also for documentation? > > Trivially, all Debia

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-23 Thread Mathieu Roy
Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Now, I think that the question is not really what the DFSG > > allows. Because it's pretty clear that the DSFG does not allow GFDLed > > documentation with Invariant section. > > > > The question is:

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-23 Thread Mathieu Roy
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > * Mathieu Roy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030922 15:09]: > > The point is whether every software needs to be free or just program > > and their documentation. > > So, you finally admited that software includes also digital photos of > your girlfriend. Wow.

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 08:31:14AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: > MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > > > On 2003-09-22 15:14:45 +0100 Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Does the DFSG definition of freedom that applies to program > > > (nobody question that) help us to draw the line at

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op ma 22-09-2003, om 16:58 schreef Richard Stallman: > >I don't think that section titles are a problem--it would not be > >hard to put them in a program. > > In a *binary executable* ?!?! That's what I'm talking about here. > > I am not sure if you are right; this might be impossibl

Re: There was never a chance of a "GFDL compromise"

2003-09-23 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Don Armstrong wrote: > They're not Free under the 5 freedoms Yes, that should be 4 freedoms in case anyone was wondering. My freedoms are currently undergoing rapid inflation, which, ostensibly, is a good thing. Don Armstrong -- DIE! -- Maritza Campos http://www.crfh.n

Re: License requirements for DSP binaries?

2003-09-23 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Monday, Sep 22, 2003, at 02:47 US/Eastern, Thomas Hood wrote: IBM distributes the Linux driver and the binaries in a tarball that it says is licensed under the GPL. http://oss.software.ibm.com/acpmodem/ No source code is provided for the DSP binaries. What about DFSG 2?

Re: Some licensing questions regarding celestia

2003-09-23 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Monday, Sep 22, 2003, at 01:15 US/Eastern, Nathanael Nerode wrote: I'd like to nail it as open as humanly possible, so I'd like to apply to to anyone receiving a derivative work based on the work as well, unless there's a legal complication in that. Well, that's not public domain any more

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-23 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-09-23 07:31:14 +0100 Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So any member of GNU must resign from Debian or GNU? Interesting. I am surprised people don't accuse you of "slippery slope" as quickly as I was accused recently. [...] So, does the DFSG definition of freedom help us to dra

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-23 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-09-23 00:45:52 +0100 Andrew Saunders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [2] Okay, this was just an extreme example. However: since I personally believe that, Invariant sections or no, the term "Open Source" will *still* be more widespread, Do you have numbers to back the claim that it is more

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-23 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 14:13, MJ Ray wrote: > On 2003-09-23 00:45:52 +0100 Andrew Saunders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > [2] Okay, this was just an extreme example. However: since I > > personally > > believe that, Invariant sections or no, the term "Open Source" will > > *still* be more widesp

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-23 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> The point is whether every software IN DEBIAN needs to be free. > > That is indeed the question. > > I think personally that it is harmful to do so and harmless to let > that essays where they are, since they do not interfere with the > program and docume

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-23 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-09-23 20:55:20 +0100 Joe Wreschnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22free+software%22 - 4,840,000 hits. http://www.google.com/search?q=%22open+source%22 - 7,210,000 hits. Distortions here include choice of language, importing of "open source" compared to tran