Re: Change in ispell's copyright -> nonfree?

2001-12-11 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
>> Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It sounds similar to the mandatory "Powered by Zope" button that was > kicked around by the Zope guys but ultimately rejected as non-free. Uh? The text says that if I offer ispell for download (or other form of distribution) I must place a li

Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-11 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 02:03:18AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > Do you think emacs20 should be considered non-free? > I'm undecided on that point. It seems like it's a good one to consider then. Let's assume at the outset that it's not going to be declared non-free for woody, so that argu

Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-11 Thread Stephen Turner
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Anthony Towns wrote: > > Are you trying to make emacs20 non-free? > There seems to have been a tendency throughout this discussion to determine _policy_ based on the _practice_ of the FSF. Doesn't anyone else think that this is the wrong way to proceed? With no disrespect

Re: Change in ispell's copyright -> nonfree?

2001-12-11 Thread Peter S Galbraith
> > It sounds similar to the mandatory "Powered by Zope" button that was > > kicked around by the Zope guys but ultimately rejected as non-free. > > Uh? I don't see that either. There no requirement for use, only for distribution. But is it non-free anyway? I don't know. > The text

Re: Change in ispell's copyright -> nonfree?

2001-12-11 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 11-Dec-2001 David Coe wrote: > Upstream ispell 3.2.x has made the following change in its copyright > (compared to 3.1.20, which we currently distribute). > > This sounds nonfree to me; am I wrong? If he were to change that > "must" to a "should," would it then be DFSG-compliant? If not, wha

Re: Crypto++ again

2001-12-11 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Zooko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: cypherpunks@toad.com > Subject: Python Cryptography Toolkit v1.0.0 > From: Andrew Kuchling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 7 Dec 95 16:58:54 EST > Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I've just uploaded version 1.0.0 of the Py

Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-11 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Anthony Towns > So, presumably the reason we like modifiability for programs is so that: [...] > For docs, this means things like: [...] Excellent summary. > Hrm. Actually, I can't see any invariant sections in the emacs21 manual, > apart from the GPL and the GFDL themselves. Am I blin

Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-11 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 02:31:55PM +, Stephen Turner wrote: > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > > Are you trying to make emacs20 non-free? [...] > With no disrespect to the FSF, I think that Debian should decide its policy > by considering the merits of competing arguments. It sh

Re: Change in ispell's copyright -> nonfree?

2001-12-11 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:54:18AM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > But I think including the URL in the package description would satisfy > the license. Are we to permit licensors to dictate to us the precise contents of our package descriptions? Should this be regarded as compatible with the D

Looking at the pine license again

2001-12-11 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
[People replying on -legal. Please CC me as I'm not subscribed to the list.] This is the CPYRIGHT file from pine 4.43 my comments are in []. I've read some of the earlier discussion about the pine license but I think some of the concerns raised there are no longer relevant. (though there may b

Re: Change in ispell's copyright -> nonfree?

2001-12-11 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
"Sean 'Shaleh' Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Z> On 11-Dec-2001 David Coe wrote: > > Upstream ispell 3.2.x has made the following change in its copyright > > (compared to 3.1.20, which we currently distribute). > > > > This sounds nonfree to me; am I wrong? If he were to change that > > "mus

Re: Looking at the pine license again

2001-12-11 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit "Jaldhar H. Vyas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Local modification of this release is permitted as follows, or by > mutual agreement: In order to reduce confusion and facilitate > debugging, we request that locally modified versions be denoted by > appending the letter "L" to the current version

Re: Looking at the pine license again

2001-12-11 Thread Richard Braakman
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 01:54:03PM -0500, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: This grants permission to modify, > Local modification of this release is permitted as follows, or by > mutual agreement: [...] And this grants permission to redistribute... > Redistribution of this release is permitted as follows

Re: Change in ispell's copyright -> nonfree?

2001-12-11 Thread David Coe
Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But I think including the URL in the package description would satisfy > the license. I think that still wouldn't satisfy the license, because it would not be rendered as a hyperlink (I assume). Also, our ftp sites allow ispell to be downloaded as

Re: Change in ispell's copyright -> nonfree?

2001-12-11 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
David Coe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > But I think including the URL in the package description would satisfy > > the license. > > I think that still wouldn't satisfy the license, because it would not > be rendered as a hyperlink (I assume).

Re: Change in ispell's copyright -> nonfree?

2001-12-11 Thread David Coe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: > David Coe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I think that still wouldn't satisfy the license, because it would not > > be rendered as a hyperlink (I assume). > > It only has to be rendered as a hyperlink "if the offering service > supports hyperlinks

Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-11 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:58:55AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 02:31:55PM +, Stephen Turner wrote: > > > Are you trying to make emacs20 non-free? > > With no disrespect to the FSF, I think that Debian should decide its policy > > by considering the merits of competi