Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-21 Thread Paul Jakma
On Thu, 21 Mar 2019, Giacomo Tesio wrote: What you say is: I could replace the "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" with another novel under the same name "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" and with the same characters (data structures, enums...) and places (functions, macros...) AND a

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-21 Thread Giacomo Tesio
On 21/03/2019, Christian Kastner wrote: > On 2019-03-20 16:46, Giacomo Tesio wrote: >> How this relates to compilation? > > It doesn't. Nobody is disputing that the compiled result is GPL. > > The question at hand is the licensing of the source. These are two > separate issues. Sure, I was talkin

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-21 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2019-03-20 16:46, Giacomo Tesio wrote: > How this relates to compilation? It doesn't. Nobody is disputing that the compiled result is GPL. The question at hand is the licensing of the source. These are two separate issues. > If the GPL header at > https://github.com/FRRouting/frr/blob/master/

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-20 Thread Giacomo Tesio
On 20/03/2019, Giovanni Mascellani wrote: > Hi, > > Il 20/03/19 12:25, Giacomo Tesio ha scritto: >> The current construct is a violation of the GPL term as that code is >> derivative of GPL code for all intents and purposes. So much that it >> cannot even compile without the GPL code. > > I don't

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-20 Thread Giovanni Mascellani
Hi, Il 20/03/19 12:25, Giacomo Tesio ha scritto: > The current construct is a violation of the GPL term as that code is > derivative of GPL code for all intents and purposes. So much that it > cannot even compile without the GPL code. I don't understand what does this matter. Copyright apply to t

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-20 Thread David Lamparter
practitioners must predict their legal standing by determining whether the proprietary software within a combination, infringes on the distribution rights of the GPL software licensor. They also must consider whether the proprietary software constitutes a derivative work. I should prob

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-20 Thread Ole Streicher
Giacomo Tesio writes: > The current construct is a violation of the GPL term as that code is > derivative of GPL code for all intents and purposes. So much that it > cannot even compile without the GPL code. For the license of source code, it is not required that it compiles. And, taking out a p

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-20 Thread Andrej Shadura
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 13:10, Paul Jakma wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Andrej Shadura wrote: > > > Apparently they’re not qualified in software licenses and copyrights. > > Sorry I have to say that. > > You're a software engineer, with no legal qualifications or experience > listed in your Linke

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-20 Thread Paul Jakma
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Andrej Shadura wrote: You cannot terminate GPL granted to someone without a violation. There clearly is no violation in the case you’re describing. Your legal advice is invalid. I have legal advice, two independent sets, from qualified solicitors that there is a violatio

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-20 Thread Paul Jakma
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Giacomo Tesio wrote: Here I suggest you all to find a friendly solution anyway for the same reason. I tried for years to find friendly solutions. Many of the things others have suggested in this thread I already suggested/explored years and years ago with the people who

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-20 Thread Paul Jakma
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Ole Streicher wrote: They don't need to do that themself, but they may want to keep that path open for downstream. And so their license allows that. Their licence on their portion of the work, perhaps. However, the work *also* requires a licence from the copyright holders

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-20 Thread Giacomo Tesio
On 20/03/2019, Ole Streicher wrote: > Giacomo Tesio writes: >> While they are distributing the whole as GPL (which is correct) they >> are actively stating that people can take a part of it that can only >> be used as GPL and use it under a different license, while whoever do >> so automatically

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-20 Thread Ole Streicher
Paul Jakma writes: > On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Ole Streicher wrote: > >> A downstream could remove the GPL dependencies (for example by >> replacing it with a [dummy] re-implementation, or by removing any >> references) and legally redistribute the result under a non-GPL >> license. > > I advised the p

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-20 Thread Giacomo Tesio
On 20/03/2019, Paul Jakma wrote: > On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Giacomo Tesio wrote: > >> It goes without saying that adding a GPL header to those files that >> need it would be totally equivalent and more fool-proof. > > After X years of not doing so, denying the applicability of the GPL to > files which

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-20 Thread Giacomo Tesio
On 20/03/2019, Giacomo Tesio wrote: > But I think that the GPL says that you have to distribute any derived > work as GPL. > It doesn't say that you have to distribute the derived work as GPL only. Badly expressed sorry. I mean, if the derived work contains GPL-only code, it must be distributed

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-20 Thread Giacomo Tesio
On 20/03/2019, David Lamparter wrote: > On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 09:17:32AM +0100, Giacomo Tesio wrote: >> The code distributed under a non-copyleft license depends heavily on >> copylefted one, so much that it's not possible to run (or even >> compile) it without the pre-existing copylefted one (t

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-20 Thread Paul Jakma
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Ole Streicher wrote: A downstream could remove the GPL dependencies (for example by replacing it with a [dummy] re-implementation, or by removing any references) and legally redistribute the result under a non-GPL license. I advised the people, who are now FRR, that this

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-20 Thread Paul Jakma
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Giacomo Tesio wrote: It goes without saying that adding a GPL header to those files that need it would be totally equivalent and more fool-proof. If that had been done at the outset... After X years of not doing so, denying the applicability of the GPL to files which are

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-20 Thread Ole Streicher
Giacomo Tesio writes: > While they are distributing the whole as GPL (which is correct) they > are actively stating that people can take a part of it that can only > be used as GPL and use it under a different license, while whoever do > so automatically terminates their own license on the whole F

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-20 Thread David Lamparter
On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 09:17:32AM +0100, Giacomo Tesio wrote: > The code distributed under a non-copyleft license depends heavily on > copylefted one, so much that it's not possible to run (or even > compile) it without the pre-existing copylefted one (that includes C > headers that are not descri

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-20 Thread Giacomo Tesio
On 20/03/2019, David Lamparter wrote: > By relicensing their code to GPL, Quagga had essentially shunted itself > down to the position of any random proprietary relicensor. I guess you mean that Quagga renounced to further contribution from these people. But the point is that Quagga is clearly a

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-20 Thread Giacomo Tesio
On 20/03/2019, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: > This is an example of a common trend I see: social pressure to keep > non-copylefted code under non-copyleft licenses, sometimes even escalating > to aggression (as the OpenBSD project did with Linux over wireless drivers), > while permitt

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-20 Thread David Lamparter
t seems to me that the authors are being a bit unfair to your > copyleft project by making demands of you that they aren't > (presumably) making of proprietary combiners of the code (i.e., if > they didn't want the proprietary combiners to relicense under > licenses other than t

Re: no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-19 Thread Florian Weimer
That's an odd request, since it contradicts the terms of the license > they offered the code under originally. In fact, it's quite typical for > projects to take non-copylefted code and bring it into a copylefted project > and make copylefted changes thereafter. It is not always clear

no need to keep non-copylefted files that way in a copylefted project. (was Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence)

2019-03-19 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
erms of the license they offered the code under originally. In fact, it's quite typical for projects to take non-copylefted code and bring it into a copylefted project and make copylefted changes thereafter. This has been in GCC, Linux, and many of the most famous copyleft projects in history

Re: Is Project Gutenberg License DFSG compatible

2017-08-03 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2017-08-04 00:27 +0800, Shengjing Zhu wrote: > I find there's not enough mention about The Project Gutenberg > License[1]. It seems that license fails the DFSG, because § 1.E.8. imposes restrictions on charging a fee for distribution which contradicts DFSG § 1. > I meet

Re: Include pieces of internal kernel header in GPL-3 project

2016-10-08 Thread Florian Weimer
he functionality used in the software project. Of course you > are right that it is a good idea to look for another kernel interface > instead of copy the necessary structure to an own header file... > > Anyway, it would be interesting for me if this usage of pieces of a > kernel header

Re: Include pieces of internal kernel header in GPL-3 project

2016-10-06 Thread Jan Luca Naumann
Hey, the problem is that this structure was in a uapi header until Linux 4.4 but it was replaced by a new header file in this kernel version. I'm not the upstream author of the code so I'm not sure if there is another way to access the functionality used in the software project. Of cour

Re: Include pieces of internal kernel header in GPL-3 project

2016-10-05 Thread Florian Weimer
* Jan Luca Naumann: > Hey, > > the project I want to package is "sedutil": > https://github.com/Drive-Trust-Alliance/sedutil > > The concrete problem/possible solution are described in my attempt to > fix it: > https://github.com/Drive-Trus

Re: Include pieces of internal kernel header in GPL-3 project

2016-10-05 Thread Jan Luca Naumann
Hey, the project I want to package is "sedutil": https://github.com/Drive-Trust-Alliance/sedutil The concrete problem/possible solution are described in my attempt to fix it: https://github.com/Drive-Trust-Alliance/sedutil/pull/56/commits/5ca6100917a025f6e11ae20838e1e37e7db2d587 I ju

Re: Include pieces of internal kernel header in GPL-3 project

2016-10-05 Thread Ben Finney
Jan Luca Naumann writes: > I want to package a project Which work are you proposing to package? Many times, the specific work will have peculiarities that need to be considered. So just knowing the license in abstract is not enough. Where can we see the complete source of the work onl

Include pieces of internal kernel header in GPL-3 project

2016-10-05 Thread Jan Luca Naumann
Hey, I want to package a project using GPL-3 as license. The project uses three structures defined in the kernel-include file . In Kernel 4.4 the header is removed from the headers exported to the user-space and replaced by another header without the three structures needed. One solution that

Discussions on legal effects of distributing software in Debian (was: Establishing dialogue between the Debian project and OGC regarding Document & Software Notice terms)

2015-12-09 Thread Ben Finney
(removing ‘debian-gis’ forum from this discussion) Ian Jackson writes: > But that does not mean that we (as a project) could not explain > clearly to people what we would like, and have a conversation with an > upstream about what we might be willing to accept. Right. I think tha

Re: Establishing dialogue between the Debian project and OGC regarding Document & Software Notice terms

2015-12-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Ben Finney writes ("Re: Establishing dialogue between the Debian project and OGC regarding Document & Software Notice terms"): > The Social Contract for the Debian Project explicitly states that works > acceptable for inclusion in Debian must not have conditions specific to &

Re: Establishing dialogue between the Debian project and OGC regarding Document & Software Notice terms

2015-12-07 Thread Johan Van de Wauw
On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 4:44 AM, Walter Landry wrote: > Sebastiaan Couwenberg wrote: >> In the PyCSW discussion a good argument was made about the OGC Software >> Notice terms not being problematic for Debian, because its terms are >> identical to the W3C licenses and we have files licensed under

Re: Establishing dialogue between the Debian project and OGC regarding Document & Software Notice terms

2015-12-07 Thread Johan Van de Wauw
On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 4:44 AM, Walter Landry wrote: > The Software license looks fine. It is the Document license which is > problematic. The first link above claims that there are many files > already in Debian already under the W3C document license. I could not > find any with a cursory sea

Re: Establishing dialogue between the Debian project and OGC regarding Document & Software Notice terms

2015-12-06 Thread Ben Finney
Sebastiaan Couwenberg writes: > In February 2015 the problematic OGC licenses were discussed on the > OSGeo standards list [2], because the PyCSW project and its packaging > was affected by the same issues as TinyOWS [3]. OGC followed that > discussion and wants "to do wha

OGC work, license conditions (was: Establishing dialogue between the Debian project and OGC regarding Document & Software Notice terms)

2015-12-06 Thread Ben Finney
Sebastiaan Couwenberg writes: > A recurring problem with geospatial software in the Free Software > community and Debian in particular has been the terms of the OGC > Document Notice and Software Notice licenses. What works are being considered for entry to Debian? What exact grant of license do

Re: Establishing dialogue between the Debian project and OGC regarding Document & Software Notice terms

2015-12-06 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney writes: > Sebastiaan Couwenberg writes: > > > I'm now directing this to debian-legal in the hope we can get a > > dialog going between the Debian project and the OGC (Open Geospatial > > Consortium). > > Thank you for your dedication to ensurin

Re: Establishing dialogue between the Debian project and OGC regarding Document & Software Notice terms

2015-12-06 Thread Walter Landry
Sebastiaan Couwenberg wrote: > In the PyCSW discussion a good argument was made about the OGC Software > Notice terms not being problematic for Debian, because its terms are > identical to the W3C licenses and we have files licensed under those > terms in main: > > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/

Re: Establishing dialogue between the Debian project and OGC regarding Document & Software Notice terms

2015-12-06 Thread Ben Finney
proach this. The Social Contract for the Debian Project explicitly states that works acceptable for inclusion in Debian must not have conditions specific to Debian. So the Debian Project can't enter bilateral negotiations of software freedom between a copyright holder and Debian recipient

Re: Establishing dialogue between the Debian project and OGC regarding Document & Software Notice terms

2015-12-06 Thread Scott Simmons
t; >> Because I've been unable to get feedback from Thorsten Alteholz or any >> of the other FTP masters about this issue, I'm now directing this to >> debian-legal in the hope we can get a dialog going between the Debian >> project and the OGC (Open Geospatial C

Re: Establishing dialogue between the Debian project and OGC regarding Document & Software Notice terms

2015-12-06 Thread Sebastiaan Couwenberg
dialog going between the Debian >> project and the OGC (Open Geospatial Consortium). I'm getting the >> impression that the FTP masters are unwilling to discuss this issue >> because it might constitute legal advise which is problematic in the US, >> or because they only enf

Re: Establishing dialogue between the Debian project and OGC regarding Document & Software Notice terms

2015-12-06 Thread Ben Finney
Sebastiaan Couwenberg writes: > Because I've been unable to get feedback from Thorsten Alteholz or any > of the other FTP masters about this issue, I'm now directing this to > debian-legal in the hope we can get a dialog going between the Debian > project and the OGC (Open

Re: Establishing dialogue between the Debian project and OGC regarding Document & Software Notice terms

2015-12-06 Thread Walter Landry
Sebastiaan Couwenberg wrote: > Because I've been unable to get feedback from Thorsten Alteholz or any > of the other FTP masters about this issue, I'm now directing this to > debian-legal in the hope we can get a dialog going between the Debian > project and the OGC (Open

Establishing dialogue between the Debian project and OGC regarding Document & Software Notice terms

2015-12-06 Thread Sebastiaan Couwenberg
Because I've been unable to get feedback from Thorsten Alteholz or any of the other FTP masters about this issue, I'm now directing this to debian-legal in the hope we can get a dialog going between the Debian project and the OGC (Open Geospatial Consortium). I'm getting the impr

Re: Does logo under CC BY SA makes entire project SA

2015-02-25 Thread Ángel González
Simon pointed out the key question: if it is a derivative work or just an aggregation of two works (code + logo, or logo + text). I don't think it would be considered a derivative but IANAL. Also note that even if the executable was a derivative work of the logo (and thus subject to the CC-BY-SA

Re: Does logo under CC BY SA makes entire project SA

2015-02-25 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Simon McVittie wrote: > > "share alike" (thus copyleft) licensing of the entire project, i.e. it > > would not be available for close-source derivatives? > The important question is, is the code or documentation legally a > derivative work of the

Re: Does logo under CC BY SA makes entire project SA

2015-02-25 Thread Simon McVittie
On 25/02/15 15:55, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > Now at least we agreed that logo could be released under CC BY SA > (share-alike) license but I wondered: if I have a software project > which is under more permissive license (MIT or BSD-3) and then includes > that logo a) in the code

Does logo under CC BY SA makes entire project SA

2015-02-25 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
alike) license but I wondered: if I have a software project which is under more permissive license (MIT or BSD-3) and then includes that logo a) in the code b) in the documentation. Does it obligates "share alike" (thus copyleft) licensing of the entire project, i.e. it would not b

Re: LGPL project with EPL dependency

2014-07-07 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 14:17:47 +0200 Daniel Pocock wrote: Hello Daniel, > > I understand that Eclipse Public License (EPL) v1.0 is not GPL compatible. Correct and confirmed by the FSF license list: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#EPL > > This suggests that EPL is LGPL-3 compatibl

Re: LGPL project with EPL dependency

2014-07-07 Thread Riley Baird
> What about LGPL-2.1? I think that it is compatible. Section 6 explains situations in which you can combine with other licenses. If you combine it with a work using other licenses, those licenses must allow modification and reverse engineering (which it seems the EPL does). However, it would app

LGPL project with EPL dependency

2014-07-07 Thread Daniel Pocock
I understand that Eclipse Public License (EPL) v1.0 is not GPL compatible. This suggests that EPL is LGPL-3 compatible: https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2010/03/msg00017.html What about LGPL-2.1? There have been various other comments about it online, but none appeared definitive, e.g:

Re: [Tts-project] Is it allowed to change license statement? [Was: Requesting sponsorship for Catalan Festival support]

2014-05-26 Thread Sergio Oller
Dear all, Sorry, I could not reply earlier. 2014-05-26 10:29 GMT+02:00 Thibaut Paumard : > Sorry to bump in, but am I understanding this correctly that Sergio is > also upstream in this work? In this case, that's entirely his busyness > to change or reword the copyright statement and the license

Re: [Tts-project] Is it allowed to change license statement? [Was: Requesting sponsorship for Catalan Festival support]

2014-05-25 Thread Paul Gevers
On 25-05-14 23:27, David Prévot wrote: >> I am surprised by the fact that you changed the text of the copyright >> statement as found in festvox/upc_ca_ona_hts.scm. > > The policy (4.5) clearly states that’s not allowed: “Every package must > be accompanied by a verbatim copy of its copyright info

SFC's guide to managing copyright Information within a Free Software project

2012-09-17 Thread Paul Wise
http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2012/ManagingCopyrightInformation.html -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.d

use of openlogo in derivative logo for a Debian sub-project

2011-09-16 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Dear IANALs, ANALs and Zack, not out of boredom but just out of enthusiastic inspiration I thought to come up with a logo to use for our Python-In-Debian efforts. All variants are available at http://www.onerussian.com/tmp/pydebian-red_tuned/ Unfortunately PSF (Python Software Foundation) has for

Re: Yet another list statistics for debian-project

2009-01-18 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, MJ Ray wrote: I suspect analysis by month and by volume would be more illuminating. I took a look at the code, but there's not much explanation. Is it possible to add volumes in an easy way? Sorry the code is crude at best - I will rewrite it from scratch if this analysis

Bug#442032: CPAL (was: Bug#442032: ITP: openproj -- A desktop replacement for Microsoft Project. It is capable of sharing files with Microsoft Project...)

2007-09-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, The comments below might not apply to the current package, but are addressed to some of the troubling aspects of the license. , | 14. ADDITIONAL TERM: ATTRIBUTION | (a) As a modest attribution to the organizer of the development of | the Original Code ("Original Devel

Re: Bug#442032: CPAL (was: Bug#442032: ITP: openproj -- A desktop replacement for Microsoft Project. It is capable of sharing files with Microsoft Project...)

2007-09-15 Thread MJ Ray
Laurent Chretienneau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The CPAL is an OSI approved license. That's informative, but not sufficient to show that *software* under that licence follows the DFSG. (OSI has lawyers advocating licences, while debian looks at software for users.) Would you explain:- - can s

Re: Bug#442032: CPAL (was: Bug#442032: ITP: openproj -- A desktop replacement for Microsoft Project. It is capable of sharing files with Microsoft Project...)

2007-09-14 Thread ajdlinux
On 9/15/07, Laurent Chretienneau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The CPAL is an OSI approved license. Debian, as well as the FSF, has rejected many OSI-approved licenses before. (Being OSI-approved does of course mean you've come most of the way to being DFSG-free, but a lot of OSI approved licenses

Re: Bug#442032: CPAL (was: Bug#442032: ITP: openproj -- A desktop replacement for Microsoft Project. It is capable of sharing files with Microsoft Project...)

2007-09-14 Thread Laurent Chretienneau
ude display on a splash screen), if any. Is this a requirement to display a splash screen? Here the term Original Developer is specified as "the organizer of the development of the Original Code" which sounds to me like it could be the sponsor or project host, rather than the Initial

Re: Bug#442032: CPAL (was: Bug#442032: ITP: openproj -- A desktop replacement for Microsoft Project. It is capable of sharing files with Microsoft Project...)

2007-09-14 Thread MJ Ray
the end user to access such > Covered Code (which may include display on a splash screen), if any. Is this a requirement to display a splash screen? Here the term Original Developer is specified as "the organizer of the development of the Original Code" which sounds to me like it c

CPAL (was: Bug#442032: ITP: openproj -- A desktop replacement for Microsoft Project. It is capable of sharing files with Microsoft Project...)

2007-09-12 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 9/13/07, Laurent Chretienneau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Laurent Chretienneau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > * Package name: openproj > Version : 0.9.4 > Upstream Author : Projity Inc. > * URL : http://www.openproj.org > * License

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-06-28 Thread Shriramana Sharma
Shriramana Sharma wrote: The project developers want to distribute a single set of source files under both the licenses. They don't want to have to maintain two different directories with two different versions of the same files with merely the license headers differing. Please examin

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-29 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 29 May 2007 14:12:55 -0700 Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 29 May 2007, Francesco Poli wrote: [...] > > what's your definition of "proprietary software", then? Software > > with source code kept secret? > > Software whose use, modification, selling, or distribution is

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 29 May 2007, Francesco Poli wrote: > The first common meanings of the word "proprietary" seem to refer to > the concept of property, owning, and trademark/patent/copyright. They refer to the concept of property which is *exclusively* owned and controlled, such that a single entity is able

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-29 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 29 May 2007 03:15:37 -0700 Don Armstrong wrote: > On Mon, 28 May 2007, Francesco Poli wrote: > > On Sun, 27 May 2007 14:24:21 -0700 Don Armstrong wrote: > > > Of course, but the usage of free there is merely an extension of > > > its actual english meaning. > > > > A piece of free software

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 28 May 2007, Francesco Poli wrote: > On Sun, 27 May 2007 14:24:21 -0700 Don Armstrong wrote: > > Of course, but the usage of free there is merely an extension of > > its actual english meaning. > > A piece of free software is not "able to act at will", nor is it > "exempt from subjection to

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-29 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 28 May 2007 22:29:27 +0100 Anthony W. Youngman wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Francesco > Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >I still cannot see why "proprietary" should mean "with secret source > >code": its basic common meaning is "owned by a proprietor" and does > >not refer t

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-28 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 28 May 2007 23:01:53 +0200 Francesco Poli wrote: [a message with a BAD signature] For those who verified the GPG signature of my previous message and found a BAD one: I apologize, I was again fooled by bug #302264... -- http://frx.netsons.org/doc/nanodocs/testing_workstation_install.ht

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-28 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Francesco Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes I still cannot see why "proprietary" should mean "with secret source code": its basic common meaning is "owned by a proprietor" and does not refer to closeness or secrecy. Your own words condemn you :-) This is an accura

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-28 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 27 May 2007 14:24:21 -0700 Don Armstrong wrote: > On Sun, 27 May 2007, Francesco Poli wrote: > > On Sun, 27 May 2007 02:43:41 -0700 Don Armstrong wrote: > > > On Sun, 27 May 2007, Francesco Poli wrote: [...] > > If you consult a dictionary you won't find any reference to the FSD > > or to

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-28 Thread Shriramana Sharma
Hello people. One question about the header I recently sent for final approval -- The project developers want to distribute a single set of source files under both the licenses. They don't want to have to maintain two different directories with two different versions of the same files

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-27 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 27 May 2007, Francesco Poli wrote: > On Sun, 27 May 2007 02:43:41 -0700 Don Armstrong wrote: > > On Sun, 27 May 2007, Francesco Poli wrote: > [...] > > > Whatever the its origin is[1], the term "proprietary" is now a > > > well-established[2] word used as opposed to "free" (as in freedom).

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-27 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 27 May 2007 02:43:41 -0700 Don Armstrong wrote: > On Sun, 27 May 2007, Francesco Poli wrote: [...] > > Whatever the its origin is[1], the term "proprietary" is now a > > well-established[2] word used as opposed to "free" (as in freedom). > > And no, it's not a well-established word in tha

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-27 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 27 May 2007, Francesco Poli wrote: > On Wed, 23 May 2007 22:05:54 +0100 Anthony W. Youngman wrote: > [...] > > If you use the word "proprietary", you are merely echoing the > > terminology used/popularised by Microsoft - do you remember their > > marketing slogan "Unix is proprietary, Wi

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-26 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 23 May 2007 22:05:54 +0100 Anthony W. Youngman wrote: [...] > If you use the word "proprietary", you are merely echoing the > terminology used/popularised by Microsoft - do you remember their > marketing slogan "Unix is proprietary, Windows is open"? > > If you use the word "proprietary

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-23 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Shriramana Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes As many people have pointed out, I realize I should be saying "proprietary" when I used the word "commercial". I also realize that the GPL does not preclude "commercial" == "for profit" usage. I was merely echoing the

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-22 Thread Shriramana Sharma
I have applied corrections based on your comments and herewith enclose the new draft of the header for the source files. If it is approved by this list as no faults are found, I will go ahead and use it. Please if there are any faults that must be corrected, tell me. If I do not receive any such

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-15 Thread Ben Finney
Shriramana Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As many people have pointed out, I realize I should be saying > "proprietary" when I used the word "commercial". I also realize that > the GPL does not preclude "commercial" == "for profit" usage. I was > merely echoing the terminology used by Trollt

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-15 Thread Shriramana Sharma
As many people have pointed out, I realize I should be saying "proprietary" when I used the word "commercial". I also realize that the GPL does not preclude "commercial" == "for profit" usage. I was merely echoing the terminology used by Trolltech. I do not condone it however. Thanks as always

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-04 Thread Ben Finney
Shriramana Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > A company X which creates a product A, has decided to dual-license > their project under the GPL and a commercial-license. The GPL *is* a commercial license; all free software is entirely open to commercial activity, by definiti

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-04 Thread Jordi Gutierrez Hermoso
On 30/04/07, Shriramana Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A company X which creates a product A, has decided to dual-license their project under the GPL and a commercial-license. I think you've already been nitpicked about this, but I'll do it again anyways: the GPL *is* a co

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-04 Thread Shriramana Sharma
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Looks OK to me, so long as there's nothing prohibiting the removal of the note at the end. I forgot to mention: while this is OK, it would be even better to use the standard GPL header with your note at the end.

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-04 Thread ajdlinux
On 5/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Looks OK to me, so long as there's nothing prohibiting the removal of the note at the end. I forgot to mention: while this is OK, it would be even better to use the standard GPL header with your note at the end. -- Andrew Donnellan ajdlin

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-04 Thread ajdlinux
On 5/1/07, Shriramana Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A company X which creates a product A, has decided to dual-license their project under the GPL and a commercial-license. They have asked not to publicise this until the official release which is why I am using generic terms - i.e. thi

help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-04 Thread Shriramana Sharma
A company X which creates a product A, has decided to dual-license their project under the GPL and a commercial-license. They have asked not to publicise this until the official release which is why I am using generic terms - i.e. this is a real question with immediate relevance, and not a

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Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-28 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:44:56 -0300 Humberto Massa wrote: > @ 26/09/2005 17:31 : wrote Francesco Poli : [...] > > The best definition of source > > that I know of is the one found in the GPL. > > > > We will have to agree on disagreeing, then. :-) > > The definition on the GPL (section 3, para

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-28 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 23:35:57 -0400 Joe Smith wrote: > > "Francesco Poli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >As I already said, I'm not so convinced that a pseudonym "identifies" > >a person. In fact, it does (almost) the opposite, I would say. > >It builds a 'fak

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
> > 2. The person making the modifications must be identified. > Matthew Garrett wrote: > Fails the dissident test, but there's some level of disagreement over > whether that matters. Doesn't it depend on the meaning of "identified"? We accept such licenses if arbitrary pseudonyms are

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-27 Thread Humberto Massa
@ 26/09/2005 17:31 : wrote Francesco Poli : > On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:33:25 +0200 Josselin Mouette wrote: > >> Le lundi 26 septembre 2005 à 12:09 -0300, Humberto Massa a écrit >> : >>> > 2. The person making the modifications must be >>> > identified. >>> >>> Yellow alert -- dis

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-26 Thread Joe Smith
"Francesco Poli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] As I already said, I'm not so convinced that a pseudonym "identifies" a person. In fact, it does (almost) the opposite, I would say. It builds a 'fake' identity, but hides the real identity of its owner. IMHO, it's

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-26 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:33:25 +0200 Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le lundi 26 septembre 2005 à 12:09 -0300, Humberto Massa a écrit : > > > 2. The person making the modifications must be > > > identified. > > > > Yellow alert -- dissident test. Marco d'Itri is extremely vocal > > ag

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-26 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:09:08 -0300 Humberto Massa wrote: > @ 24/09/2005 14:22 : wrote Francesco Poli : [...] Thanks for your analysis. P.S.: please do not reply to me, as I didn't asked that: rather, reply to the list only! thanks -- :-( This Universe is buggy! Where's the Creator's BTS?

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 26 septembre 2005 à 12:09 -0300, Humberto Massa a écrit : > > 2. The person making the modifications must be > > identified. > > Yellow alert -- dissident test. Marco d'Itri is extremely vocal > against the Dissident Test, but I think anonymity is necessary for > Free

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-26 Thread Humberto Massa
ike to discuss the DFSG-compliance of a work released solely > under this license (excluding other legal issues, such as > trademarks, patents, and so forth). > > > =-=-=-=-= License text follows: =-=-=-=-= > > >LINUX DOCUMENTATION PROJECT LICENSE (LDPL) v2.0, 12 January >

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