Re: Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-20 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 10:24:03PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 05:52:52AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > the ultimate conclusion is that the QPL is not free, any time you've > > > spent trying to delay examination of this license can only hurt ocaml's > > > chances of

Re: Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 05:52:52AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > the ultimate conclusion is that the QPL is not free, any time you've > > spent trying to delay examination of this license can only hurt ocaml's > > chances of remaining in the archive. > Well, did i try to delay examination ? I pos

Re: Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 05:16:19AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > No response yet to my reasonable thread, i wonder if it was the good way to > go finally. I'll speak up and say that your new thread appears to be fairly inclusive of several points of concern in the QPL. I imagine that nobody has re

Re: Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 08:45:59PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 03:07:45AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > > reasonable suggestion in most cases, and fits my explanation of > > > > > "course of > > > > > action" exactly. > > > > > Sure, but totally irrealistic. > > >

Re: Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 03:07:45AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > reasonable suggestion in most cases, and fits my explanation of "course > > > > of > > > > action" exactly. > > > Sure, but totally irrealistic. > > In this specific case, and only known because of your knowledge of > > upstre

Re: Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 02:57:18AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > On 2004-07-20 02:11:07 +0100 Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >Because i don't keep irc logs, doesn't mean it didn't happen, and i > >am sure > >others keep log and can provide the info. > > You can't prove it and no-one can

Re: Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 12:33:04PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: > On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 03:07:45AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 09:19:40AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 12:50:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 06:01

Re: Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 03:07:45AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 09:19:40AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 12:50:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 06:01:50PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 11:27:

Re: Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-07-20 02:11:07 +0100 Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Because i don't keep irc logs, doesn't mean it didn't happen, and i am sure others keep log and can provide the info. You can't prove it and no-one can see it because you don't keep logs. When you get a log, things change.

Re: Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 12:42:27AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > IIRC, neither of us could find a log of this incident, so can you > please stop referring to it? Seeing as you wrote you had "no time for Because i don't keep irc logs, doesn't mean it didn't happen, and i am sure others keep log and can

Re: Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 09:19:40AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: > On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 12:50:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 06:01:50PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 11:27:05PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Thanks, but in all this

Re: Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 12:50:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > Thanks for CCing me as i have requested here repeteadle. > > > > If you don't cease the sarcasm, then I'm going to stop discussing with > > you. I have no obligation to subject myself to this. > > Well, sorry, but mail writing in

Re: Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-07-19 22:27:05 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for CCing me as i have requested here repeteadle. Elsewhere you thank people for not cc'ing. I am confused about what you want. Ok, if this is true (i have not checked) then ok. Still there may be other reasons to it. What is the

Re: Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 12:50:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 06:01:50PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 11:27:05PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Thanks, but in all this thread, i have not seen a single reasonable > > > suggestion, so i have

Re: Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 11:27:05PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thanks for CCing me as i have requested here repeteadle. If you don't cease the sarcasm, then I'm going to stop discussing with you. I have no obligation to subject myself to this. If you set the Mail-Followup-To header to incl

Re: Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 06:01:50PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 11:27:05PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Thanks for CCing me as i have requested here repeteadle. > > If you don't cease the sarcasm, then I'm going to stop discussing with > you. I have no obligation t

Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 02:37:52PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 11:19:53PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Thanks for not CCing me as i have repeatedly asked here. > > Please fix your mailer to set a corresponding header, instead of > expecting every subscriber to thi

Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 11:19:53PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thanks for not CCing me as i have repeatedly asked here. Please fix your mailer to set a corresponding header, instead of expecting every subscriber to this list to do your work for you. > >On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 10:07:57PM +02

Re: Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread luther
Thanks for CCing me as i have requested here repeteadle. >On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 05:10:05PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Yep, and i believe that the Apple licence, the NPL and many other such ones >> have similar properties. Why are we not picking on them ? > >If I remember correctly, both

Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread luther
Thanks for not CCing me as i have repeatedly asked here. >On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 10:07:57PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: >> Furthermore, as the choice of law is the french law, preliminary information >> seem to indicate that any procedure should be domiciliated at the domicil of >> the defendor, wh

Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread luther
Please CC me, as i am not subscribed, and uysing lynx over ssh to participate is hardly convenient. >On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 08:12:17PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: >> WRONG. Debian is distributing them in source form, and the compilation is >> done >> at installation time, and the linking at emacs

Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 05:10:05PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Yes, but it is by no means reason enough to declare the QPL non-free. > > > >I didn't claim that it was, so this statement isn't relevant. > > Ok, so everything is fine, and there is no reason to change the licence, nor > to r

Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread luther
>Sven Luther wrote: > >> 6c. If the items are not available to the general public, and the >> initial developer of the Software requests a copy of the items, >> then you must supply one. >> >> So, if you make a release that is not general, but limited to a small >> group of people, th

Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread luther
First, thanks for not CCing me on this, as i asked. >Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Also, one of the clauses you have problems with, the "court of venue", >> if waived, might limit their possibilities to defend against people not >> respecting the licence > >That is the whole problem wi

Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread luther
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Re: Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-19 Thread luther
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 09:27:07PM -0400, Walter Landry wrote: >>> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > Hello debian-legal. >>> > >>> > I don't know why, but Brian has been bothering me about claiming the >>> > QPL is non-free. I agree with the emacs thing, and am working on a >>> > solu