Re: Linking clause deleted from GNAT GPL

2005-11-25 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Andrew Donnellan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Exactly! But what if I don't want to do that? The restriction is forcing >> others to use license terms that are not in the GNU General Public License. > But they are less restrictive license terms. If there is an implied clause that forbids remo

Re: Linking clause deleted from GNAT GPL

2005-11-25 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 11/25/05, Brian M. Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 24 November 2005 20:42, Andrew Donnellan wrote: > > On 11/24/05, Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -- snip -- > I don't think you understand. The restriction is on the removal of the > additional permissions. In your

Re: Linking clause deleted from GNAT GPL

2005-11-24 Thread Brian M. Carlson
On Thursday 24 November 2005 20:42, Andrew Donnellan wrote: > On 11/24/05, Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's an example: > > "This program is licensed under the GPL...etcetc.. > > If your name is Jim then sections 3a and 3b do not apply." > > is LESS restrictive than just the

Re: Linking clause deleted from GNAT GPL

2005-11-24 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 11/24/05, Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Scripsit Andrew Donnellan > > On 11/23/05, Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Scripsit Andrew Donnellan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > In what way? The clause means the license of GNAT is actually LESS > > restrictive than the licens

Re: Linking clause deleted from GNAT GPL

2005-11-24 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Maybe this subject was discussed before, but I'd like some clarification. The GNU Ada compiler (GNAT) from FSF is distributed under GPL with this special linking exception: "As a special exception, if other files instantiate generics from this unit, or you link this unit with other files to pro

Re: Linking clause deleted from GNAT GPL

2005-11-22 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 05:34:35PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > > Since the copyright holder in this case is the FSF, it's probably best to > > just ask them. > > FSF is the copyright holder for parts of Gnat, including files that > have this notice. But they are not the only copyright holder.

Re: Linking clause deleted from GNAT GPL

2005-11-22 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Andrew Donnellan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 11/22/05, Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> These sloppities lend support to the hypothesis that the exception was >> not drafted by the FSF's usual license advisors. Is it really FSF >> software? > Don't think so. For two main reaso

Re: Linking clause deleted from GNAT GPL

2005-11-22 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The only time I've actually seen an additional-permission clause that said > "you may remove this clause" to explicitly remain GPL-compatible was ones > drafted on this list, for linking to OpenSSL. I agree that #1 is almost > certainly what was intend

Re: Linking clause deleted from GNAT GPL

2005-11-22 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 03:57:31PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Arnoud Engelfriet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Where is the statement that allows you to take off the linking > > exception from the GNAT license? > > It is not quite clear how the exception is to be interpreted. There > are

Re: Linking clause deleted from GNAT GPL

2005-11-21 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 11/22/05, Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These sloppities lend support to the hypothesis that the exception was > not drafted by the FSF's usual license advisors. Is it really FSF > software? > Don't think so. For two main reasons: 1. GNU doesn't always mean FSF. Most GNU proje

Re: Linking clause deleted from GNAT GPL

2005-11-21 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Henning Makholm wrote: > In any case, the language in this exception is sloppy. It is never the > case that something external to me can by itself _cause_ an executable > in which I have copyright interest to "be covered by the GPL". Right. It looks like a sloppy adaptation of the FSF's own linkin

Re: Linking clause deleted from GNAT GPL

2005-11-21 Thread Henning Makholm
Arnoud Engelfriet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> quoted: >As a special exception, if other files instantiate generics from GNADE >Ada units, or you link GNADE Ada units or libraries with other files >to produce an executable, these units or libraries do not by itself >cause the resulting exec

Re: Linking clause deleted from GNAT GPL

2005-11-21 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Arnoud Engelfriet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Where is the statement that allows you to take off the linking > > exception from the GNAT license? > > It is not quite clear how the exception is to be interpreted. There > are at least two possibilities: Looking at the

Re: Linking clause deleted from GNAT GPL

2005-11-21 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Arnoud Engelfriet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Where is the statement that allows you to take off the linking > exception from the GNAT license? It is not quite clear how the exception is to be interpreted. There are at least two possibilities: 1) An ordinary GPL grant of rights is given. In _

Re: Linking clause deleted from GNAT GPL

2005-11-21 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Florian Weimer wrote: > * Arnoud Engelfriet: > > > Where is the statement that allows you to take off the linking > > exception from the GNAT license? > > A requirement not to remove the exception would be a further > restriction as far as the GPL concerned. Of course, there is no such > require

Re: Linking clause deleted from GNAT GPL

2005-11-21 Thread Florian Weimer
* Arnoud Engelfriet: > Where is the statement that allows you to take off the linking > exception from the GNAT license? A requirement not to remove the exception would be a further restriction as far as the GPL concerned. Of course, there is no such requirement, and therefore, you may remove th

Re: Linking clause deleted from GNAT GPL

2005-11-21 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Wei Mingzhi wrote: > IMO, yes. People are not obligated to retain this > exception of GPL. This is similar as relicensing L-GPL > to GPL. The LGPL has an explicit clause saying you can relicense the material under GPL (section 3 of the LGPL). Where is the statement that allows you to take off th

Re: Linking clause deleted from GNAT GPL

2005-11-21 Thread Wei Mingzhi
IMO, yes. People are not obligated to retain this exception of GPL. This is similar as relicensing L-GPL to GPL. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Hello, > > Maybe this subject was discussed before, but I'd > like some > clarification. The GNU Ada compiler (GNAT) from FSF > is distributed > under