Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-19 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, David Starner wrote: > Why are you worried? Trademark law seems fairly simple (for laws), and > "open source" doesn't seem to make a difference here. It's just "We > have this trademark, registered on the 31 of February 2002, they're > using it without permission, and they igno

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-19 Thread Richard Braakman
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:31:53PM -0700, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Richard Braakman wrote: > > Creating such a test would be a lot of work if you don't already > > have one. > > Yes, I'm not thinking of a compatibility test suite. I'm thinking of > things like "All modificati

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-19 Thread David Starner
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:31:53PM -0700, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > Is there a document or email somewhere that describes a situation where > Debian has had to enforce its trademarks? Did anything go beyond an email > threat to pursue? I'm just worried that no one's really tried to enforce > a tr

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-18 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Richard Braakman wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 01:26:13PM -0700, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > > I am pretty sure that such a clause has always been a part of the Apache > > licenses. The intent is pretty simple - we don't want people calling > > their commercial derivatives "Ap

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread Richard Braakman
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 01:26:13PM -0700, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > I am pretty sure that such a clause has always been a part of the Apache > licenses. The intent is pretty simple - we don't want people calling > their commercial derivatives "Apache++", "ApachePro", etc. I think there was an ear

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread John Galt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Richard Braakman wrote: >On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 04:27:26PM +0800, James Bromberger wrote: >> I am taking this licence as DFSG OK, and will be trying to get this >> package into "main" after a tad more testing. Your help is very >>

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Richard Braakman wrote: > Hmm. In /usr/share/doc/apache/copyright there is this clause: > > 5. Products derived from this software may not be called "Apache" > nor may "Apache" appear in their names without prior written > permission of the Apache Group. > > This seems

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > We could get the cited "prior written permission", but if that > > permission applies only to Debian then I think we run into DFSG > > clause 8, "License must not be specific to Debian". > > I don't think so. I think D

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > We could get the cited "prior written permission", but if that > permission applies only to Debian then I think we run into DFSG > clause 8, "License must not be specific to Debian". I don't think so. I think DFSG #8 means "the software must be free

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread Richard Braakman
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:47:52AM +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:38:29AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > > Hmm, it might not be DFSG OK until *after* you have renamed it. > > Surely a Debian package is a derived product? > If that was the case then the Apache package sho

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit James Bromberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In December, 2000, the mod_backhand author wrote to me: > > You, of course, don't need my permission to make it up into=20 > > a debian package (given the license,) but I appreciate you asking! =20 > > I would be delighted if you packaged and maintai

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread James Bromberger
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:38:29AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 04:27:26PM +0800, James Bromberger wrote: > > I am taking this licence as DFSG OK, and will be trying to get this > > package into "main" after a tad more testing. Your help is very > > much appreciated. >

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread Mark Wielaard
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:38:29AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 04:27:26PM +0800, James Bromberger wrote: > > I am taking this licence as DFSG OK, and will be trying to get this > > package into "main" after a tad more testing. Your help is very > > much appreciated. >

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread Richard Braakman
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 04:27:26PM +0800, James Bromberger wrote: > I am taking this licence as DFSG OK, and will be trying to get this > package into "main" after a tad more testing. Your help is very > much appreciated. Hmm, it might not be DFSG OK until *after* you have renamed it. Surely a D

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread James Bromberger
Many thanks to Henning, John, Sam and Thomas; I am taking this licence as DFSG OK, and will be trying to get this package into "main" after a tad more testing. Your help is very much appreciated. James -- James Bromberger www.rcpt.to/~james * * C u in Bordeaux - 1st Debian Confe

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-03 Thread Sam TH
On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 10:28:55PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I missed the "with or without modification" in the header, so thought this > > clause was the only thing granting permission for derived works. Had that > > been the case, DFSG 3 wo

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-03 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I missed the "with or without modification" in the header, so thought this > clause was the only thing granting permission for derived works. Had that > been the case, DFSG 3 would be the controlling consideration and fail. > But the permission for derivate

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-02 Thread John Galt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2 Apr 2001, Henning Makholm wrote: >Scripsit John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > * 5. Products derived from this software may not be called "mod_backhand" >> > *nor may "mod_backhand" appear in their names without prior written >> > *permi

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-02 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > * 5. Products derived from this software may not be called "mod_backhand" > > *nor may "mod_backhand" appear in their names without prior written > > *permission. For written permission, please contact > > *[EMAIL PROTECTED] > UUGLY! Pin

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-02 Thread John Galt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, James Bromberger wrote: > >Dear Legal List, > >I have been asked to bring the licence for a package I am preparing for >unstable, which I am hoping will go into main, to this list hoping to >get a concensus that the licence is DSFG

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-02 Thread Sam TH
On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 11:28:15PM +0800, James Bromberger wrote: > > Would most people agree with this, and claim that this licence is DFSG > compatible? Under what situations would this not be compatible? > This is simply the Apache license, with the names changed. Therefore, since the Apac

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-02 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 11:28:15PM +0800, James Bromberger wrote: > Ralf Treinen has raised some concern with sections 4, 5 and 6, and the > ultimate senntence in the licence, which I post here in full: It looks fine. Standard BSD (with advertising clause), and some additional clauses to requirin

Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-02 Thread James Bromberger
Dear Legal List, I have been asked to bring the licence for a package I am preparing for unstable, which I am hoping will go into main, to this list hoping to get a concensus that the licence is DSFG OK. The package is an Apache module, libapache-mod-backhand, which performs application level