Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-17 Thread Ben Finney
Arnoud Engelfriet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Josselin Mouette wrote: > > This is of course completely wrong. Unless you accept the terms of the > > GPL, the author's rights apply by default, so you don't have the right > > to use, distribute or modify the software. > > Which doesn't change the

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-17 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le vendredi 16 novembre 2007 ? 16:23 +0100, Joerg Schilling a ?crit : > > If you talk to lawyers and ask them about the GPL, they will tell you that > > the GPL is a contract offer that needs to be explicitely acepted by the > > licensee. > > This is of course completely

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 16 novembre 2007 à 16:23 +0100, Joerg Schilling a écrit : > If you talk to lawyers and ask them about the GPL, they will tell you that > the GPL is a contract offer that needs to be explicitely acepted by the > licensee. This is of course completely wrong. Unless you accept the terms

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-16 Thread Jeff Licquia
Joerg Schilling wrote: Anyway, in Europe you cannot agree on a contract that you do not yet know and for this reason, a text like "GPLv2 or any later" is void. Why? Assuming the rest of your characterizations for the sake of argument, two contracts currently exist which meet those criteria.

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
"John Halton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 16/11/2007, Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, sort of vexed. But have you ever noticed "GPL is a license not a > > contract" folks citing ANY authority to back that legal nonsense > > claim? Consider: > > > > [lots and lots of cas

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-16 Thread John Halton
On 16/11/2007, Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, sort of vexed. But have you ever noticed "GPL is a license not a > contract" folks citing ANY authority to back that legal nonsense > claim? Consider: > > [lots and lots of case citations] It may or may not be correct, but I don'

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
>I am wondering if Java GPLed application can link with CDDL classes? >Case looks like the cdrecord question i saw in the archive. >The case is in CarMetal (geometrical program derived from the wondeful >CaR from René Grothman) >http://db-maths.nuxit.net/CaRMetal/ You first need to be very carefu

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-15 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:15:25 + John Halton wrote: > On 15/11/2007, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: [usual unbacked assertions and handwaving by Mr. Schilling...] > > It is possible the licence uses the "version two or later" version of > the GPL, which would allow the software to

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-15 Thread John Halton
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 09:09:04PM +0100, Alexander Terekhov wrote: > I think that being a lawyer you will agree that " or > later" is *at most* a permission given by the original licensor to > direct licensees (i.e. parties entering version two contract) to > SUBLICENSE (licensees can become subli

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 15 novembre 2007 à 17:04 +0100, Joerg Schilling a écrit : > >CarMetal uses colorchooser https://colorchooser.dev.java.net/ wich is > >CDDL licensed. > > If colorchooser has been developed independently from CaRMetal, and only > CaRMetal calls colorchooser, it is indeed similar to what hap

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
"John Halton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 15/11/2007, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You first need to be very carefull to find out the license for this > > software. It does not mention the GPL version number, which makes > > it hard to find the authors will. > > > > Given the

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-15 Thread John Halton
On 15/11/2007, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You first need to be very carefull to find out the license for this > software. It does not mention the GPL version number, which makes > it hard to find the authors will. > > Given the fact that a lot of the files have not been touched si

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-14 Thread John Halton
On 13/11/2007, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yves Combe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I am wondering if Java GPLed application can link with CDDL classes? > > Case looks like the cdrecord question i saw in the archive. > > To understand whether there's a license conflict, there needs

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-13 Thread Ben Finney
Yves Combe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I am wondering if Java GPLed application can link with CDDL classes? > Case looks like the cdrecord question i saw in the archive. To understand whether there's a license conflict, there needs to be an understanding of whether copyright is invoked by "link

Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-12 Thread Yves Combe
Hello, I am wondering if Java GPLed application can link with CDDL classes? Case looks like the cdrecord question i saw in the archive. The case is in CarMetal (geometrical program derived from the wondeful CaR from René Grothman) http://db-maths.nuxit.net/CaRMetal/ CarMetal uses colorchooser ht