Re: CC Non-waivable Compulsory License Scheme

2007-09-25 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:13:40 +0200 Olive wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] > > There are issues with certain devices (e.g. game consoles, some > > media players) that will only play files in their proprietary > > DRM-encumbered format. So, parallel distribution would give > > recipients one

Re: CC Non-waivable Compulsory License Scheme

2007-09-15 Thread Olive
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/16/07, Olive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But why someone will want to do that? To put DRM and at the same time to provide someone with the possibility of bypassing them seems absurd. Could you give a /realistic/ example of a comportment that you think should be allow

Re: CC Non-waivable Compulsory License Scheme

2007-09-15 Thread ajdlinux
On 9/16/07, Olive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But why someone will want to do that? To put DRM and at the same time to > provide someone with the possibility of bypassing them seems absurd. > Could you give a /realistic/ example of a comportment that you think > should be allowed and is neverthele

Re: CC Non-waivable Compulsory License Scheme

2007-09-15 Thread Olive
Francesco Poli wrote: On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:43:19 -0700 Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 07:19:35PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:39:49 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: [...] excellent explanation! In other words, IIUC, this clause seems to try and limit the

Re: CC Non-waivable Compulsory License Scheme

2007-09-15 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:43:19 -0700 Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 07:19:35PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:39:49 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > > > [...] > > > excellent explanation! > > > In other words, IIUC, this clause seems to try and limit the h

Re: CC Non-waivable Compulsory License Scheme

2007-09-14 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 07:19:35PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: > On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:39:49 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > [...] > > excellent explanation! > In other words, IIUC, this clause seems to try and limit the harms done > by some idiotic laws. > The license would *not* be *less* re

Re: CC Non-waivable Compulsory License Scheme

2007-09-14 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:39:49 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: [...] > excellent explanation! In other words, IIUC, this clause seems to try and limit the harms done by some idiotic laws. The license would *not* be *less* restrictive without this clause. Is that correct? -- http://frx.netsons.or

Re: CC Non-waivable Compulsory License Scheme

2007-09-13 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Freek Dijkstra wrote: > Actually, you could do like the FSF: fight the system by using their own > methods. There is nothing that can stop Debian from registering as a > rights society, and as such could become a society to collect these > non-waivable fees on behalf of the (open-source) software a

Re: CC Non-waivable Compulsory License Scheme

2007-09-13 Thread Freek Dijkstra
Francesco Poli wrote: > What is not clear to me is: if "Non-waivable Compulsory License Schemes" > are absurd things such as sort-of-taxes on virgin media (recordable CDs, > DVDs, ...), why does the clause included in CC-v3.0 licenses talk about > the right to collect royalties "for any exercise b

CC Non-waivable Compulsory License Scheme (was: Anti-TPM clauses)

2007-09-13 Thread jonathon
Francesco wrote: > DVDs, ...), why does the clause included in CC-v3.0 licenses talk about > the right to collect royalties "for any exercise by You of the rights > granted under this License" ? That refers to collecting societies that have both a legal monopoly, and legal mandate to collect roya

Re: CC Non-waivable Compulsory License Scheme (was: Anti-TPM clauses)

2007-09-13 Thread Matthew Johnson
Francesco Poli wrote: > On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:06:12 +0200 Freek Dijkstra wrote: > > So it seems to me that CC does not make any more limitations or > > restrictions then those that are already there in the law (e.g. the > > restriction "you can only buy blank CDs and DVDs if you pay a fee"). > > S

Re: CC Non-waivable Compulsory License Scheme (was: Anti-TPM clauses)

2007-09-13 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:06:12 +0200 Freek Dijkstra wrote: [...] > Francesco, > [one constructive answer to one of my concerns, at last!] > > So it seems to me that CC does not make any more limitations or > restrictions then those that are already there in the law (e.g. the > restriction "you can o

Re: CC Non-waivable Compulsory License Scheme (was: Anti-TPM clauses)

2007-09-13 Thread Freek Dijkstra
Francesco Poli wrote: > Well, I made a detailed analysis of the issues I see in CC-by(-sa)-v3.0 > licenses. > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2007/07/msg00124.html > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2007/03/msg00105.html > Just saying that they are "in spirit the same as GPL" is *not* a >