Re: Compatibility of GPLv2 and Apache v2 (OpenSSL again)

2018-12-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 2:53 AM Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote: > On December 7, 2018 6:34:39 PM UTC, Francesco Poli wrote: > > > >It was a long ongoing process. > >The news is that it seems to have finally come to an end... This appears to be the commit where it happened: https://github.com/open

Re: Hacking License

2018-12-07 Thread Giacomo
Il December 7, 2018 7:03:47 PM UTC, Thorsten Alteholz ha scritto: >Hi Giacomo, Hi Thorsten, thanks for pointing out these issues. >On Fri, 7 Dec 2018, Giacomo Tesio wrote: >> If you can help me understand the problems you see, we could try to >> design a new test that make them evident together

Re: Hacking License

2018-12-07 Thread Thorsten Alteholz
Hi Giacomo, On Fri, 7 Dec 2018, Giacomo Tesio wrote: If you can help me understand the problems you see, we could try to design a new test that make them evident together. some terms are ambiguous and need to be defined. For example how do you want to use "shall"? What is an organization? Is

Re: Compatibility of GPLv2 and Apache v2 (OpenSSL again)

2018-12-07 Thread Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
On December 7, 2018 6:34:39 PM UTC, Francesco Poli wrote: >On Fri, 07 Dec 2018 17:04:22 +1100 Ben Finney wrote: >This has already been mentioned in the past: >https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2015/09/msg1.html > >It was a long ongoing process. >The news is that it seems to have finally c

Re: Compatibility of GPLv2 and Apache v2 (OpenSSL again)

2018-12-07 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 07 Dec 2018 17:04:22 +1100 Ben Finney wrote: > Sebastian Andrzej Siewior writes: [...] > > So this is true for series 1.1.1 and earlier. The master branch will be > > released as 3.0 and some point. So we have some time to clarify this > > :) > > Ah, so this is not a change that has happ

Re: Compatibility of GPLv2 and Apache v2 (OpenSSL again)

2018-12-07 Thread Ben Finney
Sebastian Andrzej Siewior writes: > On December 7, 2018 6:04:22 AM UTC, Ben Finney wrote: > >Is the grant of license somewhere in the Git repository to be examined? > > So the readme file > https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/master/README > > has this: > > The OpenSSL toolkit is licensed

Re: Compatibility of GPLv2 and Apache v2 (OpenSSL again)

2018-12-07 Thread Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
On December 7, 2018 6:04:22 AM UTC, Ben Finney wrote: >Sebastian Andrzej Siewior writes: >> The wording (of the addon) was drafted on debian-legal a few years >> back. > >Can you give citations to what you're referring to? there have been >many >such discussions so it would help if we're both tal

Re: Hacking License

2018-12-07 Thread Giacomo Tesio
Perhaps I've got the problem. Maybe we lack a forth clear-cut test expressing your insight that can exclude the Hacking License as a free license? I would be glad to help designing such test even if it would turn out that there's no way to reform the Hacking License to pass it. Unfortunately, rig

Re: Hacking License

2018-12-07 Thread Giacomo Tesio
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 12:21, Giacomo Tesio wrote: > On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 12:14, Giacomo Tesio wrote: > > My Free Software is a gift and I want it to stay free for everybody > > and to keep generating more gifts for everybody recursively and > > unbound. > > Before you ask: this does mean in any

Re: Hacking License

2018-12-07 Thread Giacomo Tesio
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 12:14, Giacomo Tesio wrote: > My Free Software is a gift and I want it to stay free for everybody > and to keep generating more gifts for everybody recursively and > unbound. Before you ask: this does mean in any way that the Hacking License limits in any way the possibility

Re: Hacking License

2018-12-07 Thread Giacomo Tesio
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 11:07, Xavier wrote: > > Le 06/12/2018 à 10:29, Giacomo Tesio a écrit : > > Il giorno gio 6 dic 2018 alle ore 02:12 Ben Finney > > ha scritto: > >> Giacomo, I again ask you: please don't impose on the free software > >> community the burden of yet another roll-your-own licen

Re: Hacking License

2018-12-07 Thread Xavier
Le 06/12/2018 à 10:29, Giacomo Tesio a écrit : > Il giorno gio 6 dic 2018 alle ore 02:12 Ben Finney > ha scritto: >> Giacomo, I again ask you: please don't impose on the free software >> community the burden of yet another roll-your-own license text. > > Ben, I'm a hacker. And I'm Italian. > To m