Re: Confusion about license wording

2007-04-24 Thread Suraj N. Kurapati
Ben Finney wrote: > "Suraj N. Kurapati" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> This is an experimental license I have been playing around with. See >> http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2007/04/msg3.html > > Again, I exhort you: either choose an existing, well-understood free > license for your s

Re: Confusion about license wording

2007-04-24 Thread Ben Finney
"Suraj N. Kurapati" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This is an experimental license I have been playing around with. See > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2007/04/msg3.html Again, I exhort you: either choose an existing, well-understood free license for your software, or (as a distant seco

Re: Confusion about license wording

2007-04-24 Thread Suraj N. Kurapati
Walter Landry wrote: > MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Suraj N. Kurapati <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> (2) In the last sentence, does the phrase "must reflect all >>> modifications" mean that all past, present, and future >>> modifications must also be included? >>> >>> I think that includi

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello *, Am 2007-04-24 08:38:34, schrieb Bas Zoetekouw: > How can it be illegal to distribute? Ebay User Agreements are not law > and Debian is not bound to it. You can get the specification of the eBay-API from the Website for free and can create FREELY a lib which allo you to access the eBay

Re: Confusion about license wording

2007-04-24 Thread Suraj N. Kurapati
MJ Ray wrote: > Suraj N. Kurapati <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> (1) The last sentence is necessary (i.e. does the word >> "corresponding" in the first sentence imply the last sentence?). > > What software is this for? This is an experimental license I have been playing around with. See http://lis

Re: Confusion about license wording

2007-04-24 Thread Walter Landry
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Suraj N. Kurapati <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (1) The last sentence is necessary (i.e. does the word > > "corresponding" in the first sentence imply the last sentence?). > > What software is this for? > > I think the last sentence is necessary if it clarifie

Re: Logo trademark license vs. copyright license

2007-04-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 04:43:26PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2007-04-18 03:39:58, schrieb Steve Langasek: > > Er, businesses selling t-shirts using the official debian logo is *not* > > permitted. Currently, the manner in which this is being disallowed is > > suboptimal, but it's still n

Re: Logo trademark license vs. copyright license

2007-04-24 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Steve and *, Am 2007-04-18 03:39:58, schrieb Steve Langasek: > Er, businesses selling t-shirts using the official debian logo is *not* > permitted. Currently, the manner in which this is being disallowed is > suboptimal, but it's still not something that we *permit*. (Perhaps what > you're

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Dima Barsky
Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > Considering the number of sniping software packages out there > eBay doesn't seem to be very interested in pursuing these > packages. Indeed, they could've stopped sniping quite easily, if they wanted to. Although I'm not sure if it could be considered a valid legal ar

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Sami Liedes wrote: > If (and that's a big if) that argumentation is valid, indeed there is > no legal use for the software, and I think that probably would weigh > quite a bit in court. Though I admit I don't even know if there's such > a thing as contributory infringement of a contract, it sounds

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-24 Thread Fabian Fagerholm
On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 18:13 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > The context of that statement is the GPL as a license, not as a > work. The license, applied to another work, is free. > > The GPL as a work, however, is *not* free, since the license on that > work does not grant the requisite freedoms. Surel

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Sami Liedes
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 10:17:22AM +0100, Dima Barsky wrote: > I'm not a lawyer either, but if we start talking about contributory > infringement, shouldn't we remove all P2P clients from Debian as well? > There is a much stronger case for contributory infringement there.. I'm not convinced. Signi

Re: Confusion about license wording

2007-04-24 Thread MJ Ray
Suraj N. Kurapati <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (1) The last sentence is necessary (i.e. does the word > "corresponding" in the first sentence imply the last sentence?). What software is this for? I think the last sentence is necessary if it clarifies the meaning of corresponding. > (2) In the la

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Dima Barsky
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 Sami Liedes wrote: > Well, I don't know the law too well, that's why I asked you (and if > you feel it's legal, I'm happy about that). But some kind of > contributory infringement came to my mind, ... I'm not a lawyer either, but if we start talking about contributory infring

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-24 Thread Lasse Reichstein Nielsen
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:44:30 +0200, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm curious to know how you reconcile Social Contract §1 and DFSG §3, and the fact that we distribute non-modifiable texts in Debian. Easy. DFSG §3 talks about the software, and a license is not software - neither so

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-24 Thread Ben Finney
Fabian Fagerholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The meta-license of the GPL is part of the text of the GPL. The DFSG > doesn't say: only part of the GPL is considered "free". It says that > the GPL, as a whole, including the meta-license, is considered > "free". The context of that statement is th

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-24 Thread Fabian Fagerholm
On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 08:28 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > Because the meta-license of the GPL is *not* free, as you pointed > out. The licenses are free, because they grant the right freedoms for > a work when applied to that work. The license texts are not free, > because they do not have those same

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Sami Liedes
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 09:55:15AM +0300, Sami Liedes wrote: > I'd say it's rather obvious that there is a contract between the > seller and eBay, but that's just my view) is no legal use for this > program. Sorry, I meant the bidder and eBay. But now that's not as evident any more, I think. Whate