Re: GPL, yet again. (The kernel is a lot like a shared library)

2005-09-11 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 9/11/05, Yorick Cool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Larry Lessig? Larry Rosen? Séverine Dussollier? Etienne Montero? > Dave MacGowan? Pam Samuelson? Are you saying these people are on record in believing that the GPL "works" in the sense we are discussing -- forbidding the distribution, on terms

Re: Dissident test

2005-09-11 Thread Michael Poole
Matthew Garrett writes: > Michael Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> DFSG#5 is very plain and very broad: it prohibits discrimination >> against *any* person or group. If you think it should be narrowed, >> propose an amendment to the SC. > > The GPL plainly discriminates against people who li

Re: Dissident test

2005-09-11 Thread Matthew Garrett
Michael Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > DFSG#5 is very plain and very broad: it prohibits discrimination > against *any* person or group. If you think it should be narrowed, > propose an amendment to the SC. The GPL plainly discriminates against people who live in areas where software patents

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-11 Thread Matthew Garrett
Francesco Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry, but it doesn't work that way, AFAICT. > > The DFSG are guidelines to determine whether a *right-holder* gives > enough permissions to *licensees*, not whether *Debian* gives enough > permissions to *right-holders*. That doesn't appear to be part

Re: CDDL

2005-09-11 Thread Joe Smith
It doesn't seem at all reasonable to me. It could harm those who have an agreement to offer support as an agent of an upstream non-initial developer (like "Epson service centre" or whatever), and maybe otherwise. Why should this licence be allowed to restrict business relationships? That is ve

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-11 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:23:42 +0200 Henning Makholm wrote: [...] > For what it's worth, I do not believe that DFSG #5 is a sensible > reason to consider choice-of-venue clauses non-free. The sensible > reason to consider choice-of-venue clauses non-free is the following > general principle: > >

Re: UMORIA licensing review

2005-09-11 Thread Ben Asselstine
> UMORIA 5.4, however, was released after the copyright law change. Anyway, > it contains additional copyright notices (Christopher J. Stuart, Joseph Hall, > etc.). They have not relicensed their work. So it appears that UMORIA 5.4 > is not yet free software. Joseph Hall has released his portio

Re: GPL, yet again. (The kernel is a lot like a shared library)

2005-09-11 Thread Yorick Cool
On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 02:32:13PM -0700, Michael K. Edwards wrote: Michael> On 9/9/05, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Michael> > I am acutely disinterested in that debate because it's long and Michael> > boring, but there's a lot of law professors who like it and think that Michael>

Re: Dissident test

2005-09-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 11:40:41AM -0400, Benj. Mako Hill wrote: > You seem to be making a call for interpreting the DFSG literally. I > think this is impossible. We should stay as close to the spirit of the > DFSG and we should rely on the text as our best clue. However, things > will *always* com

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 04:23:42PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) > > > So finally we are up to the good old "every restriction is a > > discrimination" argument. Even if in the last two years it has become > > popular among some debian-legal@ contributor

Re: Dissident test

2005-09-11 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
> Sven Luther writes: > > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 08:38:19PM -0400, Catatonic Porpoise wrote: > >> Marco d'Itri wrote: > >> > >> >>This might fail the Dissident test (and thus discriminate against > >> >> > >> >> > >> >Which is not part of the DFSG, so it does not matter. > >> > > >> > > >

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-11 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) > So finally we are up to the good old "every restriction is a > discrimination" argument. Even if in the last two years it has become > popular among some debian-legal@ contributors while the rest of the > project was not looking, I believe that it is bas

Re: Dissident test

2005-09-11 Thread Michael Poole
Sven Luther writes: > On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 08:38:19PM -0400, Catatonic Porpoise wrote: >> Marco d'Itri wrote: >> >> >>This might fail the Dissident test (and thus discriminate against >> >> >> >> >> >Which is not part of the DFSG, so it does not matter. >> > >> > >> The Dissident test is a

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Re: CDDL

2005-09-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 07:28:46PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > [License follows as inline MIME foo] html2text is a piece of crap. > At the same time, I'd like to experiment with an idea I've been toying > with for a slightly more (informally) directed approach to license > analysis, that shou