Re: MySQL licensing and OpenSSL linking issues

2003-06-06 Thread MJ Ray
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What happens if OSI ever decides to yank their approval from a license, > what happens then? Do OSI have any process to fix their goofs? (APSL...)

Re: Summary of the GFDL debate

2003-06-06 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 05 Jun 2003, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > And yes, I know I should probably be answered "Read the archives", > but I don't have the time, and I think I'm not the only one :( > > Has anyone written such a summary ? Not to my knowledge. The closest thing so far is Anthony Town's draft statement:

Re: MySQL licensing and OpenSSL linking issues

2003-06-06 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 02:51:31PM -0400, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: > >> > Would it be reasonable to ask them to "snapshot" the OSI license list >> > with every release? This would ensure that the permission to link isn't >> > retroactively revoked by a

Re: MySQL licensing and OpenSSL linking issues

2003-06-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 02:51:31PM -0400, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: > > Would it be reasonable to ask them to "snapshot" the OSI license list > > with every release? This would ensure that the permission to link isn't > > retroactively revoked by a third party, while saving MySQL AB the work > > of

Re: MySQL licensing and OpenSSL linking issues

2003-06-06 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Would it be reasonable to ask them to "snapshot" the OSI license list > > with every release? > The contributors would each need to assent to each change of the list, or > assign copyright to MySQL, or

Re: MySQL licensing and OpenSSL linking issues

2003-06-06 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 11:25:51AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 10:39:23AM +0200, Christian Hammers wrote: >> > Attached and below you'll find the recent plans of MySQL regarding >> > their licenses. I would think that this

Re: MySQL licensing and OpenSSL linking issues

2003-06-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 11:25:51AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 10:39:23AM +0200, Christian Hammers wrote: > > Attached and below you'll find the recent plans of MySQL regarding > > their licenses. I would think that this is sufficient for the > > Debian project. If not

Re: MySQL licensing and OpenSSL linking issues

2003-06-06 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 10:39:23AM +0200, Christian Hammers wrote: > Attached and below you'll find the recent plans of MySQL regarding > their licenses. I would think that this is sufficient for the > Debian project. If not please scream loud now! :-) [...] > > Here is our initial plan to fix the

Re: The debate on Invariant sections (long)

2003-06-06 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 09:06:39AM -0600, Barak Pearlmutter wrote: > Debian should give RMS a chance to think for a while, He's had over a year. We raised most of these concerns with the GNU FDL 1.1. His response was the GNU FDL 1.2. Perhaps he is counting on our continued lack of action to let

Re: The debate on Invariant sections (long)

2003-06-06 Thread MJ Ray
Thomas Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] The FSF is willing to characterize a document with > invariant sections as "free" because this allows the FSF to use such > sections to promote software freedom. I'm not sure that is accurate. I *think* the FSF position is that free documentation c

Re: The debate on Invariant sections (long)

2003-06-06 Thread Barak Pearlmutter
> ... Since RMS > seems unwilling to change anything, I'd say that _all_ GFDL'd works > have to go into non-free. RMS did not say that. He listened to Debian's concerns, and acknowledged that there were GDFL-related issues he had not previously been aware of. He characterized them as *primarily*

Re: The debate on Invariant sections (long)

2003-06-06 Thread Walter Landry
Thomas Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Documents with invariant sections will go in "non-free", but this > shouldn't prevent Debian and the FSF from continuing to work > together. There are more problems with the GFDL than just the invariant sections. Invariant sections are just the worst probl

Re: The debate on Invariant sections (long)

2003-06-06 Thread Thomas Hood
On 2 June 2003 RMS wrote: > I've looked at the problems people have reported. Many of them are > misunderstandings (what they believe is not allowed actually is > allowed), many of these cases have adequate workarounds, and the rest > are real inconveniences that shouldn't be exaggerated. [...]

Re: GDB Manual

2003-06-06 Thread John Holroyd
On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 21:47, Richard Stallman wrote: > Even if I were inclined to answer every question that is posed to me > here and respond to every point, I don't have time. (I am getting 400 > messages a day, and only half of them are junk.) I wish I was that lucky, my snr is closer to 2

MySQL licensing and OpenSSL linking issues

2003-06-06 Thread Christian Hammers
Hello Attached and below you'll find the recent plans of MySQL regarding their licenses. I would think that this is sufficient for the Debian project. If not please scream loud now! :-) bye, -christian- / mysql maintainer > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:42:42 -0600 > From: Zak Greant <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: GDB Manual

2003-06-06 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 05:47:28PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > You still haven't answered two questions put to you publicly, > > You are trying to demand the kind of discussion which I've decided not > to participate in--one that resembles a cross-examination. But this > is not a court,