Re: Cc'ing people on mailing list posts

2002-01-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 06:15:09PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 05:57:49PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > > Um, it wasn't me that Branden was flaming a

Re: Cc'ing people on mailing list posts

2002-01-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 06:15:09PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 05:57:49PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > Um, it wasn't me that Branden was flaming at. > > > > Yes it was. With my followup to your mail.

Re: Cc'ing people on mailing list posts

2002-01-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 05:57:49PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Um, it wasn't me that Branden was flaming at. > > Yes it was. With my followup to your mail. Anthony said "It's you that's violating list policy." It wasn't me, it was Henni

Re: Cc'ing people on mailing list posts

2002-01-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 05:57:49PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Um, it wasn't me that Branden was flaming at. Yes it was. With my followup to your mail. -- G. Branden Robinson| Mob rule isn't any prettier just Debian GNU/Linux | because you ca

Re: Cc'ing people on mailing list posts

2002-01-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Anthony Towns writes: > On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 04:54:30PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Well, what I'd prefer is that people all followed of the following: > > Yes, because clearly you're in the right, and it's the people who don't > want to be Cc'ed that're making the special request.

Cc'ing people on mailing list posts

2002-01-01 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 04:54:30PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Well, what I'd prefer is that people all followed of the following: Yes, because clearly you're in the right, and it's the people who don't want to be Cc'ed that're making the special request. Unfortunately, that's _not_ the

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I SUBSCRIBE TO THIS LIST; DO NOT CC ME ON REPLIES, YOU FILTHY SWINES. > On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 04:13:56PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Please respect my damn mail headers. > > > > And "dam

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Branden Robinson
I SUBSCRIBE TO THIS LIST; DO NOT CC ME ON REPLIES, YOU FILTHY SWINES. On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 04:13:56PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Please respect my damn mail headers. > > And "damn headers" they are. This business of hiding little reque

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 02:01:14AM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > > Scripsit Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > > > > I don't need to defend whatever past decisions

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 02:01:14AM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > > I don't need to defend whatever past decisions may have been made; > > > they quite possibly were simpl

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) > Bram Moolenaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > - Someone still has a copy. Then the person that made the changes > > should be able to retrieve it and send the maintainer a copy. > If I make a change, and then distribute to John Doe, and then

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > I don't need to defend whatever past decisions may have been made; > > they quite possibly were simply incorrect. > Unless, of course, they involved the GNU Emacs Manual, righ

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:27:46PM +0100, Bram Moolenaar wrote: > > It also does not require that I send the changes to the maintainer. > > That's the sticking point. > The GPL requires you to make the source code available to every user. > That's quite bit stickier, in my opinion. For most com

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > I don't need to defend whatever past decisions may have been made; > they quite possibly were simply incorrect. Unless, of course, they involved the GNU Emacs Manual, right? :-P -- G. Branden Robinson| Debia

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:27:46PM +0100, Bram Moolenaar wrote: > The GPL requires you to make the source code available to every user. > That's quite bit stickier, in my opinion. For most companies that means > they can't make money on their software. That's the main disadvantage of > using the

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Bram Moolenaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > The GPL does not require that you keep the source code forever. When > > I give a copy to my friend, I have finished all my responsibilities. > > I have no requirement to keep a copy, or know how to get in touch with > > my friend next year. > > The

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Thomas - > The GPL does not require that you keep the source code forever. When > I give a copy to my friend, I have finished all my responsibilities. > I have no requirement to keep a copy, or know how to get in touch with > my friend next year. The Vim license also doesn't require you keep th

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 10:10:40PM +0100, Bram Moolenaar wrote: > > > - Nobody has a copy of this modified version. Then it doesn't exist > > > and the license doesn't apply. > > > > Wrong, the paragraph says that if you distribute a modified version, > > then you must provide the changes to th

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Bram Moolenaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > No, the license doesn't say forever. It has no time limit, does it? > The easiest way to avoid this is to send me the changes before > destroying them. Then you no longer need to keep a copy. And yes, if > you distribute a modified version of Vim, t

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Thomas - > Bram Moolenaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > If this is so, then there are these possibilities: > > > > - Nobody has a copy of this modified version. Then it doesn't exist > > and the license doesn't apply. > > Wrong, the paragraph says that if you distribute a modified versi

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Bram Moolenaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If this is so, then there are these possibilities: > > - Nobody has a copy of this modified version. Then it doesn't exist > and the license doesn't apply. Wrong, the paragraph says that if you distribute a modified version, then you must provide t

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Thomas Bushnell wrote: > Bram Moolenaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > It is allowed to distribute a modified version of Vim, with > > executables and/or source code, when the following conditions are > > met. If you distribute a modified version of Vim, you are > > encouraged to make it ava

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Bram Moolenaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It is allowed to distribute a modified version of Vim, with > executables and/or source code, when the following conditions are > met. If you distribute a modified version of Vim, you are > encouraged to make it available to the maintainer, including t

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 01:26:38PM +0100, Bram Moolenaar wrote: > Henning Makholm wrote: > I don't see this as a relevant problem. The person that distributed the > modified version can ask the people he gave the source code to send me a > copy. So he can still delete his own copy (although that'

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Richard - > That only talks about unmodified executables. So nothing seems > to give permission for distributing executables of modified > versions of Vim. It is important to give that permission > explicitly. It was given implicitly, but I can clear that up to avoid confusion. > It seems

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-01 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Bram Moolenaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > You are not allowed to distribute a modified version of Vim when you > > are not willing to make the source code available to the maintainer > > or do not want to let him decide what to do with your changes. > > This is non