Re: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread Simon Wong
On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 01:44, Chris Howells wrote: > > I'm about to get my own copy of debian potato and so far I wish to install > > Yuck. Try using woody :P I agree. Potato is *really* old as mentioned and you'll feel like you've gone back in time, IF you want to use a GUI desktop like Gnome.

RE: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread Roman Stepanyan
> Cool! well, since I'm new to debian, for now I would rather have an old > stable version than to have to put up with 'unstablelessness'. I think you did NOT get it. UNSTABLE branch of Debian does NOT mean that software there is unstable!!! It just means, that some changes in the content of the

Re: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread Leonardo Boiko
> > Once I get > > better with it (I plan to learn Python and sharpen my C skills with debian), > > I'll get the current Woody. > You misunderstand it again: it may be actually easier to install Woody. Also, I believe potato's Python is far outdated. -- Leonardo Boiko "Doko ni datte, hito wa tsug

Re: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread Olivier Crouzet
And Woody is NOT 'unstable', it is 'testing' ! Olivier. -- Olivier Crouzet Institut des Sciences Cognitives CNRS - Université Claude Bernard Lyon 1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread David Z Maze
Roman Stepanyan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Cool! well, since I'm new to debian, for now I would rather have an old >> stable version than to have to put up with 'unstablelessness'. > > I think you did NOT get it. UNSTABLE branch of Debian does NOT mean > that software there is unstable!!! It j

RE: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread Jay
Ok, NOW I get it, I read the FAQs, but it does not specify how unstable the thing is. Thing is that I'm don't have internet access enough to DL a WHOLE distribution of debian, so I actually bought it on CD. Thanks! ...In Accordance With The Prophecy. Happy Hacking, Bright Blessings and Gentle B

Re: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread Derek Broughton
> Roman Stepanyan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Cool! well, since I'm new to debian, for now I would rather have an old > >> stable version than to have to put up with 'unstablelessness'. > > > > I think you did NOT get it. UNSTABLE branch of Debian does NOT mean > > that software there is unsta

RE: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread Jay
Hello Everyone! OK ppl, before we go any further, I did not meant to start a holy war over this 'stable' issue, my question was if 600 MB was enough for me to install debian Potato (which is the version I bought) on my laptop, I won't use it for any type of connection to the 'net nor do I want any

Re: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread Alan Shutko
David Z Maze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ...and sometimes it breaks terribly in system libraries, to the point > where you need to be able to debug what's wrong on your own to be able > to log in. And even when things aren't broken, per se, they may still be quite uncomfortable. For instance,

Re: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread Heather Stern
On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 04:04:11PM -0600, Dave Price wrote: > On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 08:31:12AM -0700, Jay wrote: > > I'm about to get my own copy of debian potato and so far I wish to install > > it on my laptop along with Win98, so I want to know what is the bare min. HD > > space required to do

Performance with Orinoco

2002-07-02 Thread Goran Ristic
Hi *; I wonder, how to increase the performance in my homenet. I use orinoco silver cards in combination with apple's airport. On both cards is the most resent driver version (8.x, I think). If I copy files between my computers the average speed is at about 215KBit/s. Shouldnt it be at about 1MB/

NEWS RELEASE

2002-07-02 Thread
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RE: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread Jay
@_@ Wow! That was overwealming, and I thank you for your advice. I think I'll print this email and keep it for reference once I get the CDs. Thanks Heather! ...In Accordance With The Prophecy. Happy Hacking, Bright Blessings and Gentle Breezes! -*/ -= )O( Jay )O( =- /*- ~-Original M

static vs. DHCP - and wireless vs. wired

2002-07-02 Thread Bill Moseley
Anyone have tips for setting up a laptop for static vs. DHCP? I've always run static IPs on my home lan. But I'll be using DHCP at hotels and conferences. I don't have a DHCP server to test with, so I'm looking for example configs. I assume the best way is to use LILO and append= to set a flag

Re: static vs. DHCP - and wireless vs. wired

2002-07-02 Thread Derek Broughton
From: "Bill Moseley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Anyone have tips for setting up a laptop for static vs. DHCP? > > I've always run static IPs on my home lan. But I'll be using DHCP at > hotels and conferences. I don't have a DHCP server to test with, so I'm > looking for example configs. > > I assume

Re: static vs. DHCP - and wireless vs. wired

2002-07-02 Thread Ken Shan
Hello, My networking setup only involes one interface at a time (usually 10baseT Ethernet; sometimes PPP dial-up). For such a setup at least, the laptop-net package works pretty well. It lets me specify multiple network configurations, and switches between them by detecting other machines on the

Re: static vs. DHCP - and wireless vs. wired

2002-07-02 Thread Hubert Chan
> "Bill" == Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bill> Anyone have tips for setting up a laptop for static vs. DHCP? Bill> I've always run static IPs on my home lan. But I'll be using DHCP Bill> at hotels and conferences. I don't have a DHCP server to test Bill> with, so I'm looking for

Re: static vs. DHCP - and wireless vs. wired

2002-07-02 Thread David Z Maze
"Derek Broughton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > From: "Bill Moseley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Anyone have tips for setting up a laptop for static vs. DHCP? >> >> I've always run static IPs on my home lan. But I'll be using DHCP at >> hotels and conferences. I don't have a DHCP server to test with

Re: static vs. DHCP - and wireless vs. wired

2002-07-02 Thread Andrew McMillan
On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 07:01, Bill Moseley wrote: > Anyone have tips for setting up a laptop for static vs. DHCP? Here's how I do it in my /etc/whereami/detect.conf == default undocked testmii eth0 lan if lan set INTERFACE eth0 testdhcp'

Re: Performance with Orinoco

2002-07-02 Thread Dean Roman
Goran, Have you seen the new D-Link 22Mb/s router/cards? The operate at 22Mb/s using 802.11b(2.4Ghz). Thanks, ---Dean Roman. Goran Ristic wrote: > Hi *; > > I wonder, how to increase the performance in my homenet. > I use orinoco silver cards in combination with apple's airport. On both

Re: Performance with Orinoco

2002-07-02 Thread Brendan J Simon
Try the debian-powerpc lists. They might be able to help you too since an Apple Airport is in use. I've used a PowerBook with debian and had link speeds of 1 and 2 Mbps with Airport & Airport BaseStation (at least thats what iwconfig showed). Regards, Brendan Simon. Dean Roman wrote:

dead laptop

2002-07-02 Thread Neil L. Roeth
My Sony Vaio will not power up. :-( I got a few blinks out of the LEDs, but no startup screen, no hard drive spinning up, nothing. Any suggestions of things to try before I send it out for repair? I was thinking that if I do send it out I should try to copy everything off the hard drive first,

RE: dead laptop

2002-07-02 Thread Jeremy Turner
> -Original Message- > From: Neil L. Roeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:32 PM > To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org > Subject: dead laptop > > My Sony Vaio will not power up. :-( I'm sorry to hear that :-( > I got a few blinks out of the LEDs, but no startu

Re: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread Simon Wong
On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 01:44, Chris Howells wrote: > > I'm about to get my own copy of debian potato and so far I wish to install > > Yuck. Try using woody :P I agree. Potato is *really* old as mentioned and you'll feel like you've gone back in time, IF you want to use a GUI desktop like Gnome.

RE: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread Roman Stepanyan
> Cool! well, since I'm new to debian, for now I would rather have an old > stable version than to have to put up with 'unstablelessness'. I think you did NOT get it. UNSTABLE branch of Debian does NOT mean that software there is unstable!!! It just means, that some changes in the content of the

Re: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread Leonardo Boiko
> > Once I get > > better with it (I plan to learn Python and sharpen my C skills with debian), > > I'll get the current Woody. > You misunderstand it again: it may be actually easier to install Woody. Also, I believe potato's Python is far outdated. -- Leonardo Boiko "Doko ni datte, hito wa tsu

Re: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread Olivier Crouzet
And Woody is NOT 'unstable', it is 'testing' ! Olivier. -- Olivier Crouzet Institut des Sciences Cognitives CNRS - Université Claude Bernard Lyon 1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread David Z Maze
Roman Stepanyan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Cool! well, since I'm new to debian, for now I would rather have an old >> stable version than to have to put up with 'unstablelessness'. > > I think you did NOT get it. UNSTABLE branch of Debian does NOT mean > that software there is unstable!!! It

RE: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread Jay
Ok, NOW I get it, I read the FAQs, but it does not specify how unstable the thing is. Thing is that I'm don't have internet access enough to DL a WHOLE distribution of debian, so I actually bought it on CD. Thanks! ...In Accordance With The Prophecy. Happy Hacking, Bright Blessings and Gentle

Re: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread Derek Broughton
> Roman Stepanyan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Cool! well, since I'm new to debian, for now I would rather have an old > >> stable version than to have to put up with 'unstablelessness'. > > > > I think you did NOT get it. UNSTABLE branch of Debian does NOT mean > > that software there is unst

RE: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread Jay
Hello Everyone! OK ppl, before we go any further, I did not meant to start a holy war over this 'stable' issue, my question was if 600 MB was enough for me to install debian Potato (which is the version I bought) on my laptop, I won't use it for any type of connection to the 'net nor do I want an

Re: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread Alan Shutko
David Z Maze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ...and sometimes it breaks terribly in system libraries, to the point > where you need to be able to debug what's wrong on your own to be able > to log in. And even when things aren't broken, per se, they may still be quite uncomfortable. For instance,

Re: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread Heather Stern
On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 04:04:11PM -0600, Dave Price wrote: > On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 08:31:12AM -0700, Jay wrote: > > I'm about to get my own copy of debian potato and so far I wish to install > > it on my laptop along with Win98, so I want to know what is the bare min. HD > > space required to d

Performance with Orinoco

2002-07-02 Thread Goran Ristic
Hi *; I wonder, how to increase the performance in my homenet. I use orinoco silver cards in combination with apple's airport. On both cards is the most resent driver version (8.x, I think). If I copy files between my computers the average speed is at about 215KBit/s. Shouldnt it be at about 1MB

NEWS RELEASE

2002-07-02 Thread
BOATERS, SWIMMERS, FISHERMEN, CANOEISTS, KAYAKERS---ALL WATERSPORTSMEN: A MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH IN WATER SAFETY! GET RID OF BULKY LIFE VESTS FOREVER--- The World's Most Compact Life Vest-"The Swimmer's Safety Belt ®" - First Ever U.S. Coast Guard Approved Personal Flotation Device (PFD) for Boate

RE: Minimum HD space

2002-07-02 Thread Jay
@_@ Wow! That was overwealming, and I thank you for your advice. I think I'll print this email and keep it for reference once I get the CDs. Thanks Heather! ...In Accordance With The Prophecy. Happy Hacking, Bright Blessings and Gentle Breezes! -*/ -= )O( Jay )O( =- /*- ~-Original

static vs. DHCP - and wireless vs. wired

2002-07-02 Thread Bill Moseley
Anyone have tips for setting up a laptop for static vs. DHCP? I've always run static IPs on my home lan. But I'll be using DHCP at hotels and conferences. I don't have a DHCP server to test with, so I'm looking for example configs. I assume the best way is to use LILO and append= to set a flag

Re: static vs. DHCP - and wireless vs. wired

2002-07-02 Thread Derek Broughton
From: "Bill Moseley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Anyone have tips for setting up a laptop for static vs. DHCP? > > I've always run static IPs on my home lan. But I'll be using DHCP at > hotels and conferences. I don't have a DHCP server to test with, so I'm > looking for example configs. > > I assume

Re: static vs. DHCP - and wireless vs. wired

2002-07-02 Thread Ken Shan
Hello, My networking setup only involes one interface at a time (usually 10baseT Ethernet; sometimes PPP dial-up). For such a setup at least, the laptop-net package works pretty well. It lets me specify multiple network configurations, and switches between them by detecting other machines on th

Re: static vs. DHCP - and wireless vs. wired

2002-07-02 Thread Hubert Chan
> "Bill" == Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bill> Anyone have tips for setting up a laptop for static vs. DHCP? Bill> I've always run static IPs on my home lan. But I'll be using DHCP Bill> at hotels and conferences. I don't have a DHCP server to test Bill> with, so I'm looking for

Re: static vs. DHCP - and wireless vs. wired

2002-07-02 Thread David Z Maze
"Derek Broughton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > From: "Bill Moseley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Anyone have tips for setting up a laptop for static vs. DHCP? >> >> I've always run static IPs on my home lan. But I'll be using DHCP at >> hotels and conferences. I don't have a DHCP server to test wit

Re: static vs. DHCP - and wireless vs. wired

2002-07-02 Thread Andrew McMillan
On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 07:01, Bill Moseley wrote: > Anyone have tips for setting up a laptop for static vs. DHCP? Here's how I do it in my /etc/whereami/detect.conf == default undocked testmii eth0 lan if lan set INTERFACE eth0 testdhcp

Re: Performance with Orinoco

2002-07-02 Thread Dean Roman
Goran, Have you seen the new D-Link 22Mb/s router/cards? The operate at 22Mb/s using 802.11b(2.4Ghz). Thanks, ---Dean Roman. Goran Ristic wrote: > Hi *; > > I wonder, how to increase the performance in my homenet. > I use orinoco silver cards in combination with apple's airport. On bot

Re: Performance with Orinoco

2002-07-02 Thread Brendan J Simon
Try the debian-powerpc lists. They might be able to help you too since an Apple Airport is in use. I've used a PowerBook with debian and had link speeds of 1 and 2 Mbps with Airport & Airport BaseStation (at least thats what iwconfig showed). Regards, Brendan Simon. Dean Roman wrote: >G

dead laptop

2002-07-02 Thread Neil L. Roeth
My Sony Vaio will not power up. :-( I got a few blinks out of the LEDs, but no startup screen, no hard drive spinning up, nothing. Any suggestions of things to try before I send it out for repair? I was thinking that if I do send it out I should try to copy everything off the hard drive first,

RE: dead laptop

2002-07-02 Thread Jeremy Turner
> -Original Message- > From: Neil L. Roeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:32 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: dead laptop > > My Sony Vaio will not power up. :-( I'm sorry to hear that :-( > I got a few blinks out of the LEDs, but no startup screen, n

Tips needed to rescue laptop whose PCMCIA stopped working

2002-07-02 Thread Hugo van der Merwe
The machine worked fine, until I recently did an upgrade from an *old* woody package to one that's now probably 3 weeks old (what I had on oldish beta CD images), this is possibly the newest. Not sure. After the upgrade was aborted (for unrelated reason), the pcmcia didn't work. I continued the up

Thinkpad 600E memory & Potato

2002-07-02 Thread paul marwick
I recently bought an IBM Thinkpad 600E. While its an oldish machine, it was reasonably priced and works quite well. I installed Win98 (which I still sometimes need, unfortunately) and 2.2r2 (most recent version I had to hand). The install went fine, and it works well (a good deal better than Win9

Re: Thinkpad 600E memory & Potato

2002-07-02 Thread Martin Schwenke
> "Paul" == paul marwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Paul> I recently bought an IBM Thinkpad 600E. While its an oldish machine, it Paul> was reasonably priced and works quite well. Paul> [...] Paul> I tried adding an 'append' to lilo.conf, but so far, any Paul> time that

~ recommendations for wireless cards ~

2002-07-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
i am going to buy a pcmcia wireless for my dell i8k laptop running kernel 2.4.18. i don't know anything about which 802.11's work well on a dell running debian, let alone on laptops generally. suggestions are welcomed..an idea of price would also be good. de|ire -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Performance with Orinoco

2002-07-02 Thread Goran Ristic
Hi Brendan! On Wed, 03 Jul 2002, Brendan J Simon wrote: |> Try the debian-powerpc lists. They might be able to help you too since |> an Apple Airport is in use. I've used a PowerBook with debian and had Since in both devices (my i8k and the airport) orinoco cards are used, I thought, I'm on