Re: Suspend Mode

1999-08-31 Thread Pontus Lidman
On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Seth Golub wrote: > Steve Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The machine also has a "suspend to disk" mode, > [..] > > Does it work with linux? > > In general, yes. This sounds very interesting to me, as I have a Dell Latitude CPi, and I've never managed to get s

Re: Suspend Mode

1999-08-31 Thread Russell Coker
>This sounds very interesting to me, as I have a Dell Latitude CPi, and >I've never managed to get suspend-to-disk working in Linux. Even normal >suspend is a bit flaky. I have tried many 2.2 kernels with apm compiled >in, and I run apmd too. It suspends and writes data to disk, but when I >resume

Re: Suspend Mode

1999-08-31 Thread mattwell
>From the page: http://gamgee.acad.emich.edu/~roth/EXTENSA/suspend.html I got the command: hdparm -m16 -c1 -u1 /dev/hda Which enabled suspend to disk on my Mitsubshi Amity. I've no idea if it will help you on your machine. The only problem I am left with is a very bizarre time warping...

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread mattwell
I hope you decide to keep this discussion here. It seems very apropriate for this forum and I for one am interested in it. One thing I would like to see when installing Debian on a laptop would be a series of setups that optimise for low power consumption such as increased intervals between syncs

Missing Time (There be Aliens?)

1999-08-31 Thread Shaun Lipscombe
Hi, Both me and a friend run Debian on laptops (as well as Desktops). We are both experiencing the same problem. The problem is namely, incorrect system time. Strange as it may seem, the BIOS is drifting and I don't think its my CMOS battery as my friend is having the same problems. It mu

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> > will you start another list, or is it acceptable to discuss this on > debian-laptop? > I started this list for discussion on this very thing as well as to be a debian-user for laptops. When the volume gets excessive, we can reconsider.

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Adam Shand
> I hope you decide to keep this discussion here. It seems very apropriate > for this forum and I for one am interested in it. i second this, please keep discussion on list if at all possible. > One thing I would like to see when installing Debian on a laptop would > be a series of setups that o

Re: Missing Time (There be Aliens?)

1999-08-31 Thread Drew Parsons
Shaun Lipscombe wrote: > Hi, > > Both me and a friend run Debian on laptops (as well as Desktops). We > are both experiencing the same problem. The problem is namely, > incorrect system time. Strange as it may seem, the BIOS is drifting > and I don't think its my CMOS battery as my friend i

Re: Missing Time (There be Aliens?)

1999-08-31 Thread Nathan Duehr
After Linux boots, the system clock runs without input from the CMOS clock. Probably during "suspend" the system clock stops, and restarts when coming out of suspend mode. Then, since the Debian startup/shutdown scripts do the clock --systohc upon shutdown, the "wrong" time gets put in CMOS and

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> > i'd like to see apm work "out of the box" too. can anyone explain to me why > apm isn't available as a kernel module? is it just something no one has > done yet, or is their a reason it's impossible. > Apm when compiled sets a #define in large sections of kernel code. Module for apm is no

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Werner Heuser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: > > From: Werner Heuser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:47:27 +0200 > > wehe> I would like to suggest the beginning of a Debian laptop > wehe> package or distribution. To discuss this, I have writt

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Werner Heuser
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry schrieb: > > I have been talking to people about this. Please do contact me and let's put > something together. Hi Sean, so the questions seems: "where to start?" I think we shouldn't make things to complex in the beginning: - so lets start with one kernel package 2.2.12,

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Adam Shand
> Apm when compiled sets a #define in large sections of kernel code. > Module for apm is not horribly hard, but how do you make a module of > every piece of code that needs apm? Plus note that pcmcia compiles code > for apm if apm is on or not, this is why you have to recompile it. hrrm, right

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Werner Heuser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: > > I hope you decide to keep this discussion here. It seems very > apropriate for this forum and I for one am interested in it. > > One thing I would like to see when installing Debian on a laptop > would be a series of setups that optimise for low power consumption >

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> so the questions seems: "where to start?" > below is a good start > I think we shouldn't make things to complex in the beginning: > > - so lets start with one kernel package 2.2.12, > which includes additionaly to the usual kernel: IrDA, APM, > USB, Framebuffer, (Mobile IP) ... [though

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> > you could have all the pieces of code which are apm sensitive check to see > if apm is currently enabled and modify their behavior accordingly rather > then statically defining it at compile time. i'm not sure what the > overheads/complications of that would be though. Not feasible, in place

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Adam Shand
> my_function() and my_function_apm() w/ an if every time. The over head > would get you. Plus some pieces actually use different data structures, > i.e a struct w/ an extra member. okay ... bummer. thanks for the info. adam.

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
The gain from the mobile update daemon is rather small. However a nice thing i have recently discovered is that mounting a disc w/ 'noatime' as an option decreases disc spin ups because the disc is no longer written to on every file access. Who uses atime on a laptop anyway. Besides, replaces in

Re: Suspend Mode

1999-08-31 Thread Pontus Lidman
On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Seth Golub wrote: > Steve Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The machine also has a "suspend to disk" mode, > [..] > > Does it work with linux? > > In general, yes. This sounds very interesting to me, as I have a Dell Latitude CPi, and I've never managed to get s

Re: Suspend Mode

1999-08-31 Thread Russell Coker
>This sounds very interesting to me, as I have a Dell Latitude CPi, and >I've never managed to get suspend-to-disk working in Linux. Even normal >suspend is a bit flaky. I have tried many 2.2 kernels with apm compiled >in, and I run apmd too. It suspends and writes data to disk, but when I >resume

Re: Suspend Mode

1999-08-31 Thread mattwell
>From the page: http://gamgee.acad.emich.edu/~roth/EXTENSA/suspend.html I got the command: hdparm -m16 -c1 -u1 /dev/hda Which enabled suspend to disk on my Mitsubshi Amity. I've no idea if it will help you on your machine. The only problem I am left with is a very bizarre time warping...

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread mattwell
I hope you decide to keep this discussion here. It seems very apropriate for this forum and I for one am interested in it. One thing I would like to see when installing Debian on a laptop would be a series of setups that optimise for low power consumption such as increased intervals between syncs

Missing Time (There be Aliens?)

1999-08-31 Thread Shaun Lipscombe
Hi, Both me and a friend run Debian on laptops (as well as Desktops). We are both experiencing the same problem. The problem is namely, incorrect system time. Strange as it may seem, the BIOS is drifting and I don't think its my CMOS battery as my friend is having the same problems. It mu

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> > will you start another list, or is it acceptable to discuss this on > debian-laptop? > I started this list for discussion on this very thing as well as to be a debian-user for laptops. When the volume gets excessive, we can reconsider.

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Adam Shand
> I hope you decide to keep this discussion here. It seems very apropriate > for this forum and I for one am interested in it. i second this, please keep discussion on list if at all possible. > One thing I would like to see when installing Debian on a laptop would > be a series of setups that o

Re: Missing Time (There be Aliens?)

1999-08-31 Thread Drew Parsons
Shaun Lipscombe wrote: > Hi, > > Both me and a friend run Debian on laptops (as well as Desktops). We > are both experiencing the same problem. The problem is namely, > incorrect system time. Strange as it may seem, the BIOS is drifting > and I don't think its my CMOS battery as my friend i

Re: Missing Time (There be Aliens?)

1999-08-31 Thread Nathan Duehr
After Linux boots, the system clock runs without input from the CMOS clock. Probably during "suspend" the system clock stops, and restarts when coming out of suspend mode. Then, since the Debian startup/shutdown scripts do the clock --systohc upon shutdown, the "wrong" time gets put in CMOS and

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> > i'd like to see apm work "out of the box" too. can anyone explain to me why > apm isn't available as a kernel module? is it just something no one has > done yet, or is their a reason it's impossible. > Apm when compiled sets a #define in large sections of kernel code. Module for apm is no

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Werner Heuser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: > > From: Werner Heuser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:47:27 +0200 > > wehe> I would like to suggest the beginning of a Debian laptop > wehe> package or distribution. To discuss this, I have writt

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Werner Heuser
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry schrieb: > > I have been talking to people about this. Please do contact me and let's put > something together. Hi Sean, so the questions seems: "where to start?" I think we shouldn't make things to complex in the beginning: - so lets start with one kernel package 2.2.12,

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Adam Shand
> Apm when compiled sets a #define in large sections of kernel code. > Module for apm is not horribly hard, but how do you make a module of > every piece of code that needs apm? Plus note that pcmcia compiles code > for apm if apm is on or not, this is why you have to recompile it. hrrm, right

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Werner Heuser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: > > I hope you decide to keep this discussion here. It seems very > apropriate for this forum and I for one am interested in it. > > One thing I would like to see when installing Debian on a laptop > would be a series of setups that optimise for low power consumption >

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> so the questions seems: "where to start?" > below is a good start > I think we shouldn't make things to complex in the beginning: > > - so lets start with one kernel package 2.2.12, > which includes additionaly to the usual kernel: IrDA, APM, > USB, Framebuffer, (Mobile IP) ... [though

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> > you could have all the pieces of code which are apm sensitive check to see > if apm is currently enabled and modify their behavior accordingly rather > then statically defining it at compile time. i'm not sure what the > overheads/complications of that would be though. Not feasible, in place

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Adam Shand
> my_function() and my_function_apm() w/ an if every time. The over head > would get you. Plus some pieces actually use different data structures, > i.e a struct w/ an extra member. okay ... bummer. thanks for the info. adam.

Re: proposal - Debian laptop package/distribution

1999-08-31 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
The gain from the mobile update daemon is rather small. However a nice thing i have recently discovered is that mounting a disc w/ 'noatime' as an option decreases disc spin ups because the disc is no longer written to on every file access. Who uses atime on a laptop anyway. Besides, replaces in