Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-21 Thread Otavio Salvador
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 10:05:15PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: >> Before I replay to the proposal and the various options, I have two >> questions: >> 1) Exactly what problem or problems is this proposal solvin

Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-21 Thread Bastian Blank
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 10:05:15PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > Before I replay to the proposal and the various options, I have two > questions: > 1) Exactly what problem or problems is this proposal solving? This was no proposal, this was an announcement. We don't longer use this sort of source sin

Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-19 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 15 February 2008, Bastian Blank wrote: > The kernel team made it possible for a long time to build the udebs from > the binary linux images. This was done be providing the possibility to > go back to every released revision with the linux-patch-debian package. > Because this needs a lot o

Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-18 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 12:11:26AM +0100, Frederik Schueler wrote: > Coordination is already needed now, and will be needed even more when > this change is implemented. > If this means waiting with a new upstream kernel version for a week or > two until the next beta of d-i is done, we will of co

Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-18 Thread Otavio Salvador
Frederik Schueler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: <...> >> I personally have a good relation with all active people in >> debian-kernel but I think that we might have a "policy" to avoid >> problems to happen. Good will isn't enough, IMO. > > We should decide case by case, considering what is best to

Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-18 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hi, On Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 10:52:17PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote: > Please read the thread we had about 2.6.24 kernel testing > migration... this is what worries me. I don't want to reopen that discussion here, and I see your argument. There are really good reasons to do beta1 with .24, and go

Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-16 Thread Otavio Salvador
Frederik Schueler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello, > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 12:31:05PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote: >> Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> - Is impossible to release d-i with a different kernel from sid >>>without a lot of hassle >>> - If a bad kernel, with

Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-16 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello, On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 12:31:05PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote: > Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> - Is impossible to release d-i with a different kernel from sid >>without a lot of hassle >> - If a bad kernel, with a bunch of ugly bugs, gets uploaded, all d-i >>devel

Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-16 Thread Bastian Blank
On Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 06:42:05PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote: > For me, to think more about it, we need an agreement from kernel team > that d-i can veto uploads of kernel. Obviously d-i team won't deny any > upload with real reasons however this agreement this is a must from my > POV. Not acce

Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-16 Thread Otavio Salvador
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 04:40:47PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote: >> If a unwanted kernel is uploaded to sid and we wanted to update the >> udebs, for a release or something, we would end up doing it >> t-p-u

Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-16 Thread Bastian Blank
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 04:40:47PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote: > If a unwanted kernel is uploaded to sid and we wanted to update the > udebs, for a release or something, we would end up doing it > t-p-u. This would be done with minor testing and possible breaking > lenny installer. So? If we nee

Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-15 Thread Otavio Salvador
Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 02:13:02PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote: <...> >> And the udebs on testing migrated to it from sid. I hope to not need >> to do uploads to t-p-u for d-i kernel ;-) > > I still don't get you. Kernel udebs on testing came from sid.

Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-15 Thread Bastian Blank
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 02:13:02PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote: > Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 12:31:05PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote: > >> - Is impossible to release d-i with a different kernel from sid > >> without a lot of hassle > > d-i releases

Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-15 Thread Otavio Salvador
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 12:31:05PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote: <...> >> - Is impossible to release d-i with a different kernel from sid >> without a lot of hassle > > d-i releases are built with test

Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-15 Thread Bastian Blank
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 12:31:05PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote: > While I'm not nacking it right now, I nack it to happen before Beta2 > with 2.6.24 gets out. I did not setup a timeline yet. Because of the status of .24, it won't get the support anyway. So .25 is the minimum. > - Is impossible

Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-15 Thread Otavio Salvador
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: While I'm not nacking it right now, I nack it to happen before Beta2 with 2.6.24 gets out. <...> > Build the udebs from the linux-2.6/linux-modules-extra-2.6 sources. > Pros: > - Only one step. > - Problems i

Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-15 Thread Bastian Blank
Hi folks The kernel team made it possible for a long time to build the udebs from the binary linux images. This was done be providing the possibility to go back to every released revision with the linux-patch-debian package. Because this needs a lot of time to get it correctly I intend to drop thi