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On Thursday 17 January 2002 00:54, Oliver Johns wrote:
> On Fri Dec 14, 2001 Ivan E. Moore II wrote:
> > With kde3 my current (and yet truely tested) approach for file layout is
> > pretty much everything under /usr/share/kde /usr/lib/kde
> > (and /usr
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 00:54, Oliver Johns wrote:
> On Fri Dec 14, 2001 Ivan E. Moore II wrote:
> > With kde3 my current (and yet truely tested) approach for file layout is
> > pretty much everything under /usr/share/kde /usr/lib/kde
> > (and /usr
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Hi DanielS,
I wouldn't suggest those changes without thinking over how it would be done.
On Wednesday 16 January 2002 23:55, Daniel Stone wrote:
>
> Using that as the KDE root is just SILLY BAD WRONG EVIL.
>
> Do you also advocate having the apache r
> True, but putting the packages directly under /usr is so "flat",
> and makes it impossible to put them on another partition. Maybe
> /usr/packages would be a better place, to (a) keep it under /usr,
> and (b) be able to mount it in a different partition.
Maybe a structure like this...
+ usr
I'm currently using kdm from a newly installed debian system. However the
mouse movements on it are much too slow, so I use 'xset m 6 6' to get the
speed I need/want. But I can't find where I'm suppose to put that command
so it would get run anytime kdm is run, or anytime when a wm is chosen.
Sugge
Hello
I'm using kde on a woody powered computer.
Since the last apt-get update, a few days ago, I've got a problem. The fonts
selectable in kde are only a very small part of the X fonts avaible on my
computer. In particular, I've no fixed font (a mess for konsole!!!)
xlsfonts and xfontsel are O
Ok,
having both (kde2 and kde3) in debian the both time might not be the best
idea.
Disadvantages:
- quite some trouble regarding where the files should go .-)
- would waste lots of diskspace on the mirrors.
- Is it really needed? KDE3 supplies improved version of all kde core apps,
and i
> But I can't find where I'm suppose to put that command so it would get
> run anytime kdm is run,
>
/etc/kde/kdm/Xsetup
> or anytime when a wm is chosen.
>
you mean, when a session is started, right?
.../Xsession
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On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 12:45:36AM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> On Wednesday 16 January 2002 23:55, Daniel Stone wrote:
> >
> > Using that as the KDE root is just SILLY BAD WRONG EVIL.
> >
> > Do you also advocate having the apache root in /usr/lib/apache? After a
> > while it starts to defea
On Thursday 17 January 2002 07:15, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > Therefore, a system that uses an efficient unified filesystem
> > implementation instead of a packaging system to keep track of file
^^
> export
> PATH=
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 07:22, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > Now is a good time to follow wisdom of KDE hackers and install it in
> > /opt/kde3 as we should. So that we don't have all of KDE cluttering the
> > whole filesystem namespace (such as /usr/sha
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 01:24, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
>
> That's all that is needed!
Something is left out. What do we do with binaries? I think binaries should
stay in /usr/lib/kde3/bin, and linked to /usr/bin. Maybe /usr/bin/X11 would
b
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 11:19:25PM +0200, Jarno Elonen wrote:
> * Many people feel that KDE (and Gnome) is too large
>a whole to be stuffed in /usr/bin, /usr/share etc
>and would deserve a separate directory like X
Those people have a hard wired path in their mind from "virtual path name"
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 03:43:51PM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> On Thursday 17 January 2002 07:15, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > > Therefore, a system that uses an efficient unified filesystem
>
>
> > > implementation instead
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 03:45:40PM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> On Thursday 17 January 2002 07:22, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > > Now is a good time to follow wisdom of KDE hackers and install it in
> > > /opt/kde3 as we should. So that we don't have all of KDE cluttering the
> > > whole filesyste
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 03:51:27PM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> On Thursday 17 January 2002 01:24, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> >
> > That's all that is needed!
>
> Something is left out. What do we do with binaries? I think binaries should
> stay in /usr/lib/kde3/bin, and linked to /usr
Hi,
I've done a patch for the acinclude.m4.in file which defines how source
distributions find the KDE install dirs that should make it work around the
non standard layout in debian (see my earlier posts re: location of docs etc.
someone has also mentioned the move of config files to /etc/kde2,
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 16:12, Daniel Stone wrote:
>
> No.
>
> Your original complaint was about cluttering the namespace. With this
> solution, not only are you implementing TWO ugly hacks (the
> /usr/lib/kde3 prefix and /usr/bin symlinks), but th
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 04:57:33PM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> On Thursday 17 January 2002 16:12, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > No.
> >
> > Your original complaint was about cluttering the namespace. With this
> > solution, not only are you implementing TWO ugly hacks (the
> > /usr/lib/kde3 prefix
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 17:03, James Thorniley wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've done a patch for the acinclude.m4.in file which defines how source
> distributions find the KDE install dirs that should make it work around the
> non standard layout in debian (s
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 17:10, Daniel Stone wrote:
>
> That IS an ugly hack. The only package I know of that does this is qt2,
> because that's the way it works, and there's no non-trivial way to make
> it use the Debian layout without breaking eve
On Thursday 17 January 2002 3:11 pm, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
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> On Thursday 17 January 2002 17:03, James Thorniley wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've done a patch for the acinclude.m4.in file which defines how source
> > distributions find the KDE insta
Hello,
I've generated a key with 3 different UID with GPG. I affected each one to an
identity in KMail. When I sign my message, KMail always use the same identity
for the three. Is it possible to have a key with three UID with KMail ?
Thank you
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 16:03, James Thorniley wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've done a patch for the acinclude.m4.in file which defines how source
> distributions find the KDE install dirs that should make it work around the
> non standard layout in debian (see my earlier posts re: location of docs etc
On Thursday 17 January 2002 11:38 am, Maximilian Reiss wrote:
> Ok,
>
> having both (kde2 and kde3) in debian the both time might not be
> the best idea.
Hello folks,
i found this while debugging my kde-problem
DCOPServer up and running.
>> running as realtime process now (priority 50)
cp: Zugriff auf »/root/Desktop/Mülleimer//.directory«: Keine Berechtigung
QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0)
QWidget::setMinimumSize: The sm
Le Jeudi 17 Janvier 2002 11:38, Maximilian Reiss a écrit :
> Ok,
>
> having both (kde2 and kde3) in debian the both time might not be the best
> idea.
> Disadvantages:
> - quite some trouble regarding where the files should go .-)
> - would waste lots of diskspace on the mirrors.
>
> - Is it re
On Thursday 17 January 2002 16:10, Daniel Stone wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 04:57:33PM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
[...]
> > I suggest you to at least implement: "/usr/share/kde3" under which all KDE3
> > ro arch indep data should go in such as "/usr/share/kde/icons".
Icons are excatly
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On Wednesday 16 January 2002 02:24 pm, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> The reason is that Ivan's yet untested approach will not work well
> when users want to install KDE2 and KDE3 at the same time.
>
> In my approach, you can choose among KDE2 or KDE3 to
Hi,
i`m using woody and kde 2.2.x. When i activate an icon on the desktop the
desktop redaws himself, but the programm doesn`t start. The same problem is,
when i dragging an icon out of the menue on the desktop and click on the
icon. Is this a known problem?
Greets,
Christian
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 02:37 pm, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> For the record, I'm *not* saying that KDE should be installed in /opt. This
> is another matter, I'm saying that the reason for not installing into /opt
> cannot be "/opt violates FHS" since /opt is part of FHS, and its use is
> ver
Hi
Flash doesn't work in Konqueror on my Woody installation. Scenario:
o I have the Flash plugin in ~/nsplugins
o ~/nsplugins is the only directory for plugins in my Konqueror
setup
o Konqueror finds the plugin and lists it in the Plugins tab
o When opening a page using Flash I get two Macrome
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 23:33, Daniel Stone wrote:
> As I keep telling you, KDE developers are upstream. We're Debian. We
> decide what goes where when you type "apt-get install kde". Without
> condescention, they pump out a desktop environment, we
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 06:00:24PM +0100, Laurent Rathle wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I've generated a key with 3 different UID with GPG. I affected each one to an
> identity in KMail. When I sign my message, KMail always use the same identity
> for the three. Is it possible to have a key with three U
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 23:42, Daniel Stone wrote:
>
> Have you even talked to Chris privately about this?
I think on IRC today.
Thanks,
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 21:25, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> On Thursday 17 January 2002 22:03, Yven Johannes Leist wrote:
> > concerning a) I think the agreement (as I understood it) to move
> > /usr/share/icons to/ usr/share/kde/icons is definitely a very good
> > starting point to make people
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On Friday 18 January 2002 00:06, Yven Johannes Leist wrote:
>
> nice ice to hear :-)
>
> BTW this is sort of offtopic now, but what is the current state of the
> objprelink kde and qt optimizations?
> After Ivan decided not to do this any longer, I tri
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The trend is to hide the differences between storage devices, not to
> make it visible to the user.
This is true, but I'd say it differently. More than saying "trend", I
think better to just say "it's right".
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 06:00:24PM +0100, Laurent Rathle wrote:
> I've generated a key with 3 different UID with GPG. I affected each one to an
> identity in KMail. When I sign my message, KMail always use the same identity
> for the three. Is it possible to have a key with three UID with KMail
I was just curious to weather anti aliased fonts are included in SID's kde
2.2.2.? I was reading the lists approximately 1-2 weeks ago and I noticed
DanielS say that he wasnt going to include the packages due to their
instability. Anyway my SID box hasn't been updated for about one month and to
You might note the discussion on debian-kde of late, where Eray is
attempting to set a precedent by installing KDE3 into /opt/kde3. Let me
first disclose my viewpoint: I think this idea sucks, as you can clearly
see from my postings.
My main concern is that we'll set a precedent here in Debian for
Il gio, 2002-01-17 alle 15:21, Daniel Stone ha scritto:
> You might note the discussion on debian-kde of late, where Eray is
> attempting to set a precedent by installing KDE3 into /opt/kde3. Let me
> first disclose my viewpoint: I think this idea sucks, as you can clearly
> see from my postings.
>
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 16:21, Daniel Stone wrote:
> You might note the discussion on debian-kde of late, where Eray is
> attempting to set a precedent by installing KDE3 into /opt/kde3. Let me
> first disclose my viewpoint: I think this idea sucks
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 05:09:54PM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> On Thursday 17 January 2002 16:21, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > You might note the discussion on debian-kde of late, where Eray is
> > attempting to set a precedent by installing KDE3 into /opt/kde3. Let me
> > first disclose my viewp
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Hi Daniel,
I recommend you to read section 3.8 of FHS. Someone who talks so knowingly of
FHS should take the time to read it, too.
On Thursday 17 January 2002 17:22, Daniel Stone wrote:
> >
> > Except that, it seems to be in "violation of FHS" to no
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 05:27:22PM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> I recommend you to read section 3.8 of FHS. Someone who talks so knowingly of
> FHS should take the time to read it, too.
I suggest you take basic comprehension classes.
> On Thursday 17 January 2002 17:22, Dan
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 17:22, Daniel Stone wrote:
> /opt is for "add-on" software. kde is not an "add-on". we package it as
> part of the distribution, it's not added on.
That is a wrong reading of standard text.
/opt -- Add-on application soft
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 17:36, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > There are reserved directories, under which the distributions do not
> > touch. /opt/bin is one of them, and it's a directory that the local admin
> > manages. /opt/bin should be in $PATH I sai
Il gio, 2002-01-17 alle 16:34, Eray Ozkural (exa) ha scritto:
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> On Thursday 17 January 2002 17:22, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > /opt is for "add-on" software. kde is not an "add-on". we package it as
> > part of the distribution, it's not added on.
>
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> On Thursday 17 January 2002 16:21, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > You might note the discussion on debian-kde of late, where Eray is
> > attempting to set a precedent by installing KD
"Eray Ozkural (exa)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cum veritate scripsit:
> The answer I got when I asked "Why isn't /opt used in Debian ?" has always
> been "/opt violates Debian Policy".
If you are talking about random add-on packages that
is distributed from kde.org or whatever else,
that would be fin
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Hi Junichi,
On Thursday 17 January 2002 18:49, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
>
> If you are talking about random add-on packages that
> is distributed from kde.org or whatever else,
> that would be fine, as long as it is independent from Debian.
>
> We, as De
"Eray Ozkural (exa)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cum veritate scripsit:
> Prior to saying that, you should have read the relevant section in policy,
> seeing that it simply delegates all responsibility to FHS, read the relevant
> section 3.8 in FHS and conceived why I said debian packages may install fi
On Thu, 2002-01-17 at 10:34, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> On Thursday 17 January 2002 17:22, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > /opt is for "add-on" software. kde is not an "add-on". we package it as
> > part of the distribution, it's not added on.
>
> That is a wrong reading of standard text.
>
> /opt -- A
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 18:21, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> However, unfortunately, your above statement
> assumes that policy prohibits use of /opt while it does not, that
> is it does not explain at all how, why, or where it is prohibited.
> It i
On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 01:21:07AM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote:
> You might note the discussion on debian-kde of late, where Eray is
> attempting to set a precedent by installing KDE3 into /opt/kde3. Let me
> first disclose my viewpoint: I think this idea sucks, as you can clearly
> see from my posti
> "JC" == Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
JC> /opt is user's territory, not ours. KDE is correct to default
JC> to using /opt according to the FHS for a default installation.
JC> But it is not correct for Debian to put it there.
Exactly. If I want to have 2+ versions o
On Thursday 17 January 2002 07:04 pm, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
>
> It might be nice to add this bit of policy to Debian Policy
> so that people do not start mucking around with /opt.
This is a good idea. I understand and whole-heartedly agree with the
reasons behind Debian not mucking about with /op
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 20:04, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
> "Eray Ozkural (exa)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cum veritate scripsit:
> > Prior to saying that, you should have read the relevant section in
> > policy, seeing that it simply delegates all responsibi
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 21:20, Joseph Carter wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 01:21:07AM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > You might note the discussion on debian-kde of late, where Eray is
> > attempting to set a precedent by installing KDE3 into /op
On Thu, 2002-01-17 at 14:26, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> On Thursday 17 January 2002 20:04, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
> >Distributions may install software in /opt, but should not modify or
> >delete software installed by the local system administrator without
> > the assent of the loca
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Greetings Frank,
On Thursday 17 January 2002 21:32, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On Thursday 17 January 2002 07:04 pm, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
> > It might be nice to add this bit of policy to Debian Policy
> > so that people do not start mucking around with /
"Eray Ozkural (exa)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cum veritate scripsit:
> There is an _invalid_ reason which I had to iterate over and over again:
> * /opt is reserved for system administrator's use.
> NO! Certain subdirectories of /opt are reserved for local system admin. The
> rest of /opt can be use
On Thursday 17 January 2002 11:37 am, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> > It should - but as of my current base-files, it does not. /opt should be
> > created as the FHS calls for it to be for third party software. KDE is
> > not third party software in Debian.
>
> So it seems you were the smart person
On Thursday 17 January 2002 15:21, Daniel Stone wrote:
> You might note the discussion on debian-kde of late, where Eray is
> attempting to set a precedent by installing KDE3 into /opt/kde3. Let me
> first disclose my viewpoint: I think this idea sucks, as you can clearly
> see from my postings.
>
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Hi Jeff,
On Thursday 17 January 2002 21:44, Jeff Licquia wrote:
>
> That is not what the text of the FHS says. There is no limitation
> mentioned that states that the admin cannot install software outside of
> /opt/bin, etc. And, wherever in /opt th
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 21:47, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> Actually the FHS permits use of /opt by distributions you mean. Please add
> it to the policy if you have a logical rationale but then we will have to
> drop "FHS compliance" from the list
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Hi Junichi,
On Thursday 17 January 2002 20:04, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
>
> Current practice is to use /opt for external projects,
> and it is impossible to detect conflicts between Debian packages and
> external prrojects.
>
> It might be nice to add th
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 22:03, Yven Johannes Leist wrote:
>
> concerning a) I think the agreement (as I understood it) to move
> /usr/share/icons to/ usr/share/kde/icons is definitely a very good starting
> point to make people happier about the na
On Thursday 17 January 2002 08:47 pm, you wrote:
>
> So, what are the "reasons behind Debian not mucking about with
> /opt" except the preconceptions of some developers? I think you
> would have to say something like:
>
> * It is not very consistent with the directory layout many packages
> adapt
>
On Thu, 2002-01-17 at 15:00, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
>
> On Thursday 17 January 2002 21:44, Jeff Licquia wrote:
> >
> > We cannot currently ensure that a package installing to /opt cannot
> > overwrite admin-installed software there.
> >
>
> Thanks for the explanation. That's a quite vague stat
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 07:21:59PM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> [+] The other typical response that "Well it may not violate the policy, but
> it does not seem to be consistent with other packages." is a much more valid
> one.
I can't beleve you relegated this to a footnote. That's like sa
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 23:11, Jeff Licquia wrote:
>
> When you run, say, "apt-get install kde", you are not given any hints at
> that time about exactly what files will be removed, replaced, etc.
> (except for the special case of conffiles). The
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On Thursday 17 January 2002 23:28, Daniel Stone wrote:
>
> [1]: Well, actually they're right, but I don't want to say that in
> public."
Of course they are right to some extent, but I had to reserve it for a
footnote.
Cheers,
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On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 09:47:51PM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> Aside from discussion of /opt policy in FHS:
> Note that the mere suggestion of putting KDE files in /opt/kde3 was because
> the above reason is not valid for KDE since it is quite different from the
> majority of software packa
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 11:26:08PM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> On Thursday 17 January 2002 23:11, Jeff Licquia wrote:
> > Somehow, I doubt that was the intended meaning of the FHS.
>
> I see. However, it is not very clear whether that phrase has any meaning. If
> it's going to be practical
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 11:28:35PM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> On Thursday 17 January 2002 23:28, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > [1]: Well, actually they're right, but I don't want to say that in
> > public."
>
> Of course they are right to some extent, but I had to reserve it for a
> footnote.
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 10:25:02PM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> On Thursday 17 January 2002 22:03, Yven Johannes Leist wrote:
> >
> > concerning a) I think the agreement (as I understood it) to move
> > /usr/share/icons to/ usr/share/kde/icons is definitely a very good starting
> > point to m
On Thu, 2002-01-17 at 16:26, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> No, I would lean to interpreting package installation as explicit assent to
> overwrite files contained in the package, and removal to remove files.
That's not good enough, because you often don't know what files a
package contains when you
On Thursday 17 January 2002 15:21, Daniel Stone wrote:
> You might note the discussion on debian-kde of late, where Eray is
> attempting to set a precedent by installing KDE3 into /opt/kde3. Let me
> first disclose my viewpoint: I think this idea sucks, as you can clearly
> see from my postings.
>
Junichi Uekawa wrote:
> Current practice is to use /opt for external projects, and it is impossible
> to detect conflicts between Debian packages and external prrojects.
I certainly agree with this. An example might be the default installation of
oracle or another third party vendor. Personally,
This one time, at band camp, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
>So, what are the "reasons behind Debian not mucking about with /opt" except
>the preconceptions of some developers? I think you would have to say
>something like:
>
>* It is not very consistent with the directory layout many packages adapt
>
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Hi Jamie,
As I wrote to Jeff, it would be best to explain in Debian Policy why debian
packages should not install files in /opt, with preferably a short sentence
clarifying that it is practically impossible to assure administrator's assent
(that is
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
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> Hi Jamie,
>
> As I wrote to Jeff, it would be best to explain in Debian Policy why debian
> packages should not install files in /opt, with preferably a short sentence
> clarifying that it is pract
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