On Saturday 05 September 2015 11:26:42 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> The transition is challenging. From what I see the Debian Qt/KDE team does
> a *marvellous* job. ...
>
> So members of the Debian Qt/KDE team, I am now also one, work, usually in
> their free time, unpaid, on delivering a new Pla
Thanks for excellent overview. Indeed massive wirk going on. Big
compliments to you guys!
Luc
Op za 5 sep. 2015 11:27 schreef Martin Steigerwald :
> Accidentally send off list.
>
> Am Donnerstag, 3. September 2015, 16:24:40 schrieb Gary Dale:
> > On 03/09/15 03:42 PM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
>
Accidentally send off list.
Am Donnerstag, 3. September 2015, 16:24:40 schrieb Gary Dale:
> On 03/09/15 03:42 PM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 03:03:35PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> >> Sorry, but before releasing a major package to "testing", shouldn't it be
> >> tested agai
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 21:21:52 +0500 Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> That's the main misunderstanding.
> We had several tries to design and/or create a rolling Debian distro but
> there is nothing currently existing AFAIK.
> And it takes a lot more effort than is currently spent on unstable and
> testing
On Thu 03 Sep 2015 04:24:40 PM Gary Dale wrote:
> On 03/09/15 03:42 PM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 03:03:35PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> >> Sorry, but before releasing a major package to "testing", shouldn't it be
> >> tested against the "testing" environment?
> >
> > No,
On 03/09/15 03:42 PM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 03:03:35PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
Sorry, but before releasing a major package to "testing", shouldn't it be
tested against the "testing" environment?
No, we don't do this.
Obviously, but the question was "shouldn't you?"
On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 03:03:35PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> Sorry, but before releasing a major package to "testing", shouldn't it be
> tested against the "testing" environment?
No, we don't do this.
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On 03/09/15 12:21 PM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 12:03:04PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
I've tended to view "testing" as a rolling release
That's the main misunderstanding.
We had several tries to design and/or create a rolling Debian distro but
there is nothing currently exi
On 03/09/15 12:49 PM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 06:30:13PM +0200, Matthias Bodenbinder wrote:
Am 03.09.2015 um 18:12 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
Packages from Debian Unstable enter the next-stable testing distribution
automatically, when a list of requirements is fulfill
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 22:27:30 +0500
Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
Hello Andrey,
>Five.
Darn. I based my reply on what I see here; Most of the packages I'm
interested enough to check out, take ten days to migrate. Assuming no
hindrance, of course.
Sorry for the mis-information.
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On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 06:16:53PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> >allotted time, the package transitions to testing.
> I was surprised to see that "allotted time" can be as little as two
> days. Which doesn't give unstable users a lot of time to discover any
> real nasties.
Urgencies higher than me
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 19:06:10 +0200
Diederik de Haas wrote:
Hello Diederik,
>allotted time, the package transitions to testing.
I was surprised to see that "allotted time" can be as little as two
days. Which doesn't give unstable users a lot of time to discover any
real nasties.
For most pack
On Thursday 03 September 2015 12:03:04 Gary Dale wrote:
> I also used to think of the "testing" package maintainers as the
> guardians at the gate
There is no such thing. Package maintainers upload packages to unstable.
When there are no Release Critical bugs reported by *users* of unstable in th
On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 06:30:13PM +0200, Matthias Bodenbinder wrote:
> Am 03.09.2015 um 18:12 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
> >> Packages from Debian Unstable enter the next-stable testing distribution
> >> automatically, when a list of requirements is fulfilled: [...] The package
> >> does not intr
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 16:54:32 +0200
Christian Hilberg wrote:
Hello Christian,
>I might bug you with some new bug reports in the meantime. :)
Not me! :-)
Like you, I'm a Debian user. I don't represent Debian or KDE in any
way. All opinions are my own etc, etc.
It just so happened that I cou
Am 03.09.2015 um 18:12 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
>> Packages from Debian Unstable enter the next-stable testing distribution
>> automatically, when a list of requirements is fulfilled: [...] The package
>> does not introduce new release critical bugs.
>
> So and now *who* reports these?
>
> The
Am Donnerstag 03 September 2015, 18:12:04 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
> Am Mittwoch, 2. September 2015, 22:46:12 schrieb Matthias Bodenbinder:
> > Am 02.09.2015 um 19:50 schrieb Gary Dale:
> > [...]
> > > the brave souls who run sid do what they, not I, signed up for.
> > I 100% support that statem
On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 12:03:04PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> I've tended to view "testing" as a rolling release
That's the main misunderstanding.
We had several tries to design and/or create a rolling Debian distro but
there is nothing currently existing AFAIK.
And it takes a lot more effort than i
Am Mittwoch, 2. September 2015, 22:46:12 schrieb Matthias Bodenbinder:
> Am 02.09.2015 um 19:50 schrieb Gary Dale:
> > I know I've been using Debian for a long time. That's why I'm amazed that
> > something this bad is being put into testing. When KDE4 came along, it at
> > least was fairly stable
On 03/09/15 04:52 AM, anxious...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, 3 September 2015 09:20:02 UTC+1, Christian Hilberg wrote:
Hi Brad,
Am Mittwoch 02 September 2015, 16:16:10 schrieb Brad Rogers:
On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 10:21:47 -0400
Gary Dale wrote:
Hello Gary,
Yesterday I rebooted my computer b
Hi Brad,
thanks for clarifying matters. A few more bits inline.
Am Donnerstag 03 September 2015, 14:19:53 schrieb Brad Rogers:
> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:43:37 +0200
> Christian Hilberg wrote:
>
> Hello Christian,
>
> >> You appear to expect somebody (well, several
> >> somebodies) to stem the
Am Donnerstag 03 September 2015, 16:37:09 schrieb Andrey Rahmatullin:
> On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 12:43:37PM +0200, Christian Hilberg wrote:
> > "It's all automatic" is the bit I missed. I was under the impression
> > that this would be true for experimental->unstable only
> experimental->unstable is
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:43:37 +0200
Christian Hilberg wrote:
Hello Christian,
>> You appear to expect somebody (well, several
>> somebodies) to stem the tide to avoid problems.
>"Expecting" is not what I meant to express, it is more like "being
I wasn't sure, hence my writing "appear to..."
On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 12:43:37PM +0200, Christian Hilberg wrote:
> "It's all automatic" is the bit I missed. I was under the impression
> that this would be true for experimental->unstable only
experimental->unstable is fully manual (even requiring a new upload).
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Hi Brad,
Am Donnerstag 03 September 2015, 09:40:35 schrieb Brad Rogers:
> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 10:12:52 +0200
> Christian Hilberg wrote:
>
> Hello Christian,
>
> >I guess it might have been wiser to let the transitions happen in
> >unstable, since the massive breakage you mention was to be expec
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 10:12:52 +0200
Christian Hilberg wrote:
Hello Christian,
>I guess it might have been wiser to let the transitions happen in
>unstable, since the massive breakage you mention was to be expected,
>and have the smaller issues and oversights ironed out in testing.
>This scheme wo
On Thursday, 3 September 2015 09:20:02 UTC+1, Christian Hilberg wrote:
> Hi Brad,
>
> Am Mittwoch 02 September 2015, 16:16:10 schrieb Brad Rogers:
> > On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 10:21:47 -0400
> > Gary Dale wrote:
> >
> > Hello Gary,
> >
> > >Yesterday I rebooted my computer but when it came back up
Hi Brad,
Am Mittwoch 02 September 2015, 16:16:10 schrieb Brad Rogers:
> On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 10:21:47 -0400
> Gary Dale wrote:
>
> Hello Gary,
>
> >Yesterday I rebooted my computer but when it came back up and I logged
> >in, Plasma was no longer usable.
>
> Come on Gary, you've been on this M
Am 02.09.2015 um 19:50 schrieb Gary Dale:
> I know I've been using Debian for a long time. That's why I'm amazed that
> something this bad is being put into testing. When KDE4 came along, it at
> least was fairly stable and usable (if incomplete) before it was moved to
> testing. If I wanted ble
On 02/09/15 11:41 AM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 10:21:47AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
I thought testing was supposed to be where packages were mainly working and
the sid and experimental where were packages were tested to make sure they
actually worked.
Not really. "The tes
On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 10:21:47 -0400
Gary Dale wrote:
Hello Gary,
>Yesterday I rebooted my computer but when it came back up and I logged
>in, Plasma was no longer usable.
Come on Gary, you've been on this ML long enough to know that KDE is
going through some *massive* changes ATM. The path fro
On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 10:21:47AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> I thought testing was supposed to be where packages were mainly working and
> the sid and experimental where were packages were tested to make sure they
> actually worked.
Not really. "The testing distribution is generated automatically
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