Am Dienstag 11 Mai 2010 schrieb Mike Bird:
> On Mon May 10 2010 15:20:52 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > This list is not for development issues like developing / maintaining
> > KDE 3.5 packages for Squeeze.
> >
> > So IMHO any further request for KDE 3.5 in Squeeze is off topic on
> > this list as
Hello,
On antradienis 11 Gegužė 2010 02:17:17 Richard Hartmann wrote:
> Now, to be serious once again:
> This whole thing is obviously loaded with emotions on both sides.
> Having crossed the line of "KDE 4 is good enough for general
> use" just recently, I think I can understand both sides.
> Esp
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 00:43, Frederik Schwarzer wrote:
> It is technically impossible to lie if stating an opinion.
If I prefer vanilla and say "I prefer chocolate", I lie.
I hope I could light the whole situation up with that :)
Now, to be serious once again:
This whole thing is obviously
[Mike Bird - Dienstag 11 Mai 2010 00:40:25]
> On Mon May 10 2010 15:20:52 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > This list is not for development issues like developing / maintaining KDE
> > 3.5 packages for Squeeze.
> >
> > So IMHO any further request for KDE 3.5 in Squeeze is off topic on this
> > list a
On Mon May 10 2010 15:20:52 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> This list is not for development issues like developing / maintaining KDE
> 3.5 packages for Squeeze.
>
> So IMHO any further request for KDE 3.5 in Squeeze is off topic on this
> list as Debian KDE/Qt maintainers repeatedly said they won't.
On Mon May 10 2010 14:41:26 Modestas Vainius wrote:
> Mind you, you are actually trolling on users' mailing list and achieving
> exactly nothing. Existing Debian KDE maintainers are clearly not interested
> in your efforts as neither is majority of audience on this list. So please
> find another pl
Hi Mike!
Am Montag 10 Mai 2010 schrieb Mike Bird:
> On Mon May 10 2010 05:47:08 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > Just let them go, Adrian. When I to to fix KDE 4 for these two, I am
> > "obstructing KDE 3.5 at every opportunity". Let them troll themselves
> > into obscurity. At least they cannot complain t
Hello,
On pirmadienis 10 Gegužė 2010 15:57:00 Mike Bird wrote:
> On Mon May 10 2010 05:46:21 Frederik Schwarzer wrote:
> > You do not dicuss problems. You just repeat and repeat
> > and repeat that KDE 4 is wrong and the devs are wrong
> > and that KDE 3 is better.
>
> If you have nothing to cont
On 6 May 2010 13:10, Marc Haber wrote:
> I still hope that 4.4.3 will fix the krunner instabilities that were
> introduced in 4.4.
>
Marc, please mention your issue on this bug:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205369
Thanks.
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On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:15:02 -0400, Noah Meyerhans wrote:
> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 05:57:00AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
> > Nor are KDE 3.5 users saying that KDE 4 should not be
> > packaged. The problem is KDE 4 true believers who are
> > trying to prevent people from using KDE 3.5.
>
> Actua
On Monday 10 May 2010 20:25:25 Marc Haber wrote:
> Hi,
> How many regressions did apache 2 have when apache 1.3's support was
> discontinued, and how many regressions does _current_ KDE 4 have over
> KDE 3.5?
>
From my point of view: None! (ok, to be honest, two or three very minor
glitches, but
On Mon May 10 2010 05:04:52 Michael Thaler wrote:
> In 2009 KDE was around 4.7 Million lines of code [1] and had about 450
> contributors [2]. KDE 3.5 had less lines of code and less developers, but
> the numbers are the same order of magnitude. Even if you find some people
> that are willing to ma
Hi,
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 02:46:21PM +0200, Frederik Schwarzer wrote:
> Oh, have you already been to the Apache folks telling them,
> Apache 1.3 was better and they should package it instead of
> the very very wrong Apache 2?
Apache 1.3 was continued to be supported until Apache 2 was ready for
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 05:57:00AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
> Nor are KDE 3.5 users saying that KDE 4 should not be
> packaged. The problem is KDE 4 true believers who are
> trying to prevent people from using KDE 3.5.
Actually, the problem is that nobody cares enough about KDE 3.5 to
actually do
Hi,
> KDE 3.5 is not dead. It has many active users and a few active
> maintainers, such as Trinity.
In 2009 KDE was around 4.7 Million lines of code [1] and had about 450
contributors [2]. KDE 3.5 had less lines of code and less developers, but the
numbers are the same order of magnitude. Eve
On 10 May 2010 16:02, Mike Bird wrote:
> If you'd like to poll Debian users as to what
> needs fixing in KDE 4, please start a new thread.
>
I will give you the benefit of the doubt, Mike, and I am starting such
a thread. Please contribute to it in a productive manner, as your
input as a KDE 3 us
[Mike Bird - Montag 10 Mai 2010 14:57:00]
> On Mon May 10 2010 05:46:21 Frederik Schwarzer wrote:
> > You do not dicuss problems. You just repeat and repeat
> > and repeat that KDE 4 is wrong and the devs are wrong
> > and that KDE 3 is better.
>
> If you have nothing to contribute to this thread
On Mon May 10 2010 05:47:08 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Just let them go, Adrian. When I to to fix KDE 4 for these two, I am
> "obstructing KDE 3.5 at every opportunity". Let them troll themselves
> into obscurity. At least they cannot complain that nobody tried to
> help them get the features they need i
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Mon May 10 2010 05:14:57 Adrian von Bidder wrote:
> > So far most of the "discussion" has been whining about where KDE 4 is
> > perceived to be worse than KDE 3.5 and whining that "somebody should
> please
> > do something".
>
> KDE 4 has far
On Mon May 10 2010 05:46:21 Frederik Schwarzer wrote:
> You do not dicuss problems. You just repeat and repeat
> and repeat that KDE 4 is wrong and the devs are wrong
> and that KDE 3 is better.
If you have nothing to contribute to this thread please
stop trolling. This thread is about how to res
[Mike Bird - Montag 10 Mai 2010 14:38:59]
> On Mon May 10 2010 05:14:57 Adrian von Bidder wrote:
> > So far most of the "discussion" has been whining about where KDE 4 is
> > perceived to be worse than KDE 3.5 and whining that "somebody should please
> > do something".
>
> KDE 4 has far more prob
On 10 May 2010 15:38, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Mon May 10 2010 05:14:57 Adrian von Bidder wrote:
>> So far most of the "discussion" has been whining about where KDE 4 is
>> perceived to be worse than KDE 3.5 and whining that "somebody should please
>> do something".
>
> KDE 4 has far more problems -
On Mon May 10 2010 05:14:57 Adrian von Bidder wrote:
> So far most of the "discussion" has been whining about where KDE 4 is
> perceived to be worse than KDE 3.5 and whining that "somebody should please
> do something".
KDE 4 has far more problems - both conceptually and in
implementation - than K
On Monday 10 May 2010 12.57:18 Mike Bird wrote:
> Please don't interfere with discussions about rescuing KDE 3.5.
So far most of the "discussion" has been whining about where KDE 4 is
perceived to be worse than KDE 3.5 and whining that "somebody should please
do something".
If the discussion st
On Mon May 10 2010 03:09:46 Michael Thaler wrote:
> > KDE upstream has run off the rails. There are a lot of people
> > both here and elsewhere trying to discuss how best to proceed.
>
> Can you please stop this? There are a lot of people who see KDE 4 as an
> improvement compared to KDE 3 (includ
On Sun May 9 2010 23:22:47 Adrian von Bidder wrote:
> KDE 3.5 in Debian is dead unless you start working on it. There is nobody
> (else) who is ready to do the work.
KDE upstream has run off the rails. There are a lot of people
both here and elsewhere trying to discuss how best to proceed.
--M
On Sunday 09 May 2010 18.18:05 Mike Bird wrote:
> A lot of people care about
> not making Debian worse, and are thereafter taking the time and
> making the effort to present the case for not deleting KDE 3.5
> from Debian.
Excuse me, but while I agree that this discussion is on-topic, it has also
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 20:11, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> When I press Alt-F1 I get the Kickoff menu.
Same here. Debian Sid, KDE 4.4.3 from experimental.
Richard
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On Sun May 9 2010 08:20:40 Florian Kulzer wrote:
(snip)
> That is fine, of course, but why do you bother the list with your
> grievances if your mind is already made up and you are not willing to
> work with the people who care about making KDE4 better? Do you just want
> to use the list as your pe
Am Freitag 07 Mai 2010 schrieb Dotan Cohen:
> >> > 4. Alt+F1 does not bring up the menu.
> >>
> >> It's Alt-F5 for the Kmenu. Has been since KDE 3 I think.
> >
> > No, it's alt+F1 in KDE 3.5.x. Alt+F5, which I also like and use a
> > lot, brings up a list of running windows.
>
> Thanks, I'm a go
Am Freitag 07 Mai 2010 schrieb Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.:
> On Friday 07 May 2010 05:29:21 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Debian carries Amarok and K3b in a KDE 4 version - I am using both.
> > And then there is kdevelop and kdevelop-php.
> >
> > Amarok 2 is playing music on my Amarok ThinkPad T23 abo
On 7 May 2010 19:54, Lisi wrote:
>> That boils down to "it's on by default". Just go turn them off.
>
> But I have to _look_ at them to turn them off. In KDE 3 I do not. I can turn
> them off without ever having to see them.
>
Yes, you do have to look at them once.
>> And
>
>> the defaults do n
On Friday 07 May 2010 10:56:05 Ana Guerrero wrote:
> On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 01:12:31PM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
> > My point is that many KDE developers and packagers do not use KDE
> > like real-world users, and therefore do not appreciate the concerns
> > of real-world KDE users.
>
> Of course n
On Friday 07 May 2010 05:29:21 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Debian carries Amarok and K3b in a KDE 4 version - I am using both. And
> then there is kdevelop and kdevelop-php.
>
> Amarok 2 is playing music on my Amarok ThinkPad T23 above the hi-fi right
> now. And I burned quite some stuff with K3b
On Thursday 06 May 2010 19:16:29 Curt Howland wrote:
> What I do not appreciate is that the attitude has been not "we have to
> do this", but "we're doing it, must suck to be you."
I'm pretty sure I haven't seen any of the Qt/KDE team be quite so asympathetic
and snipish. I may not always agree
On Friday 07 May 2010 01:19:33 Michael Thaler wrote:
> IHMO, the few people that still want to use KDE 3.5 have three options:
> - help the KDE developers to implement the functionality that was in KDE
> 3.5, but is still missing from KDE 4
> - switch to another desktop like Gnome, XFCE or LXDE th
On 2010-05-06, Mike Bird wrote:
> My point is that many KDE developers and packagers do not use KDE
> like real-world users, and therefore do not appreciate the concerns
> of real-world KDE users.
My current open applications on a normal work day:
kontact (running kmail and akregator)
konqueror (
On Fri May 7 2010 08:25:28 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> It is for me, not for you. But you can change that. Just let me know
> what is wrong, I'll file the bugs for you.
A generous offer, Dotan, but I doubt that new KDE bug fixes
will make it into Squeeze. My problem is what desktop and
applications will
On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 01:12:31PM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
> My point is that many KDE developers and packagers do not use KDE
> like real-world users, and therefore do not appreciate the concerns
> of real-world KDE users.
>
Of course no, they write KDE while they use GNOME
Real-world users as s
On 6 May 2010 23:15, Richard Hartmann wrote:
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 18:14, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>
>> System Settings -> Input and Output
>> RightClick -> New -> Global Shortcut -> Command
>
> It's called "Input Actions".
> But yes, this works. Still, the current way things are done are
> less tha
On 6 May 2010 23:12, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Thu May 6 2010 12:02:05 Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> Do you customarily read the complete email headers of those whom
>> with which you correspond?
>
> Email headers are not relevant to most discussions, therefore no.
>
> My point is that many KDE developers and
Am Donnerstag 06 Mai 2010 schrieb Richard Hartmann:
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 19:54, Mike Bird wrote:
> > Are you aware that KDE PIM developers noticed that the percentage of
> > KMail users on KDE-PIM's own mailing list has dropped below 50%?
> > Even KDE developers are fed up with KDE unreliabil
Am Donnerstag 06 Mai 2010 schrieb Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.:
> > We've had more than two years of being told "KDE SC 4 is good
> > enough".
> >
> >
> >
> > It is not.
>
> It is good enough for me. But, I can see how the lack of items like
> Quanta, Amarok, and K3B (to name a few) cause issues for
Am Donnerstag 06 Mai 2010 schrieb Mike Bird:
> On Thu May 6 2010 10:24:08 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > > Even with perfect packaging KDE SC 4 is slow and unreliable,
> >
> > Slow? Can you elaborate? I can help with that.
> >
> > Unreliable? In what way?
>
> Are you aware that KDE PIM developers notice
On Thursday 06 May 2010, Richard Hartmann wrote:
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 23:08, Mark Purcell wrote:
> > This is free software, nobody is forced to do anything.
>
> Not 100% true. A plain user who wants to keep on using KDE 3
> will not be able to do so forever. A year or two are certainly possib
Hi,
> There will be at least as many people that will complain
> about not shipping KDE 4 if you were the one to decide.
Indeed. I used KDE 1, KDE 2, KDE 3 and now I am a very happy KDE 4 user which
is in my opinion the best KDE so far. I want to thank the Debian KDE Team for
doing such a great
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On Thursday 06 May 2010, Mike Bird was heard to say:
> Debian is the sole remaining major
> distro that cared enough for its users to ship KDE 3.5.
When Lenny was released, KDE4 was just plain broken. Since then, it
has matured such that other distri
[Mike Bird - Donnerstag 06 Mai 2010 23:37:43]
> On Thu May 6 2010 14:08:42 Mark Purcell wrote:
> > This is free software, nobody is forced to do anything.
> >
> > You are free to upgrade to KDE4, you are free to keep your system running
> > with KDE3 for as long as you want. Hey I still have one
On 2010-05-06, Mike Bird wrote:
> Are we - KDE's non-DD non-DM end users - free to include KDE 3.5
> in Debian Squeeze? Why not keep KDE SC 4 in experimental where
> it belongs for a few more years?
Please don't feed the troll.
/Sune
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On Thursday, 2010-05-06, Alejandro Exojo wrote:
> El Jueves, 6 de Mayo de 2010, Dotan Cohen escribió:
> > No. Do you customarily read the complete email headers of those whom
> > with which you correspond?
>
> There is a hidden config variable that can make KMail display the
> User-Agent, X-Maile
* On 2010 06 May 16:27 -0500, Facundo Aguilera wrote:
> El Jueves 06 Mayo 2010 18:01:42 Nate Bargmann escribió:
> > * On 2010 06 May 09:45 -0500, Facundo Aguilera wrote:
> > > El Jueves 06 Mayo 2010 10:22:09 Nate Bargmann escribi?:
> > > > I'm tired of typing this time and again:
> > > >
> > > >
On Thu May 6 2010 14:08:42 Mark Purcell wrote:
> This is free software, nobody is forced to do anything.
>
> You are free to upgrade to KDE4, you are free to keep your system running
> with KDE3 for as long as you want. Hey I still have one system running
> KDE2 for stability reasons, its a router
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 23:08, Mark Purcell wrote:
> This is free software, nobody is forced to do anything.
Not 100% true. A plain user who wants to keep on using KDE 3
will not be able to do so forever. A year or two are certainly possible
even though people will need a different browser for se
El Jueves 06 Mayo 2010 18:01:42 Nate Bargmann escribió:
> * On 2010 06 May 09:45 -0500, Facundo Aguilera wrote:
> > El Jueves 06 Mayo 2010 10:22:09 Nate Bargmann escribi?:
> > > I'm tired of typing this time and again:
> > >
> > > No speaker beep in Konsole--dev says, "Too bad."
> >
> > Konsole
On Friday 07 May 2010 03:26:34 Curt Howland wrote:
> There are lots of people who are interested in having KDE3
> continue, as opposed to being "forced to upgrade" to
This is what I don't understand about this conservation.
This is free software, nobody is forced to do anything.
You are free to
* On 2010 06 May 09:45 -0500, Facundo Aguilera wrote:
> El Jueves 06 Mayo 2010 10:22:09 Nate Bargmann escribi?:
>
> >
> > I'm tired of typing this time and again:
> >
> > No speaker beep in Konsole--dev says, "Too bad."
> >
>
> Konsole -> settings -> notifications -> bell in current session -
On Thursday 06 May 2010 15:12:31 Mike Bird wrote:
> On Thu May 6 2010 12:02:05 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > Do you customarily read the complete email headers of those whom
> > with which you correspond?
>
> Email headers are not relevant to most discussions, therefore no.
>
> My point is that many KDE
El Jueves, 6 de Mayo de 2010, Dotan Cohen escribió:
> No. Do you customarily read the complete email headers of those whom
> with which you correspond?
There is a hidden config variable that can make KMail display the User-Agent,
X-Mailer, etc.
kwriteconfig --file /path/to/kmailrc --group Reader
Hello,
On ketvirtadienis 06 Gegužė 2010 23:12:31 Mike Bird wrote:
> On Thu May 6 2010 12:02:05 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > Do you customarily read the complete email headers of those whom
> > with which you correspond?
>
> Email headers are not relevant to most discussions, therefore no.
>
> My point
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 22:12, Mike Bird wrote:
> The whole semantic desktop idea is a bad joke in the real MULTI-USER
> world. If semantics are to have any value they must evolve on the
> server from all the members of the workgroup, not an isolated user.
Semantics can be pushed from above or b
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 18:14, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> System Settings -> Input and Output
> RightClick -> New -> Global Shortcut -> Command
It's called "Input Actions".
But yes, this works. Still, the current way things are done are
less than ideal.
Thus:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23661
On Thu May 6 2010 12:02:05 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Do you customarily read the complete email headers of those whom
> with which you correspond?
Email headers are not relevant to most discussions, therefore no.
My point is that many KDE developers and packagers do not use KDE
like real-world users,
Hello,
On ketvirtadienis 06 Gegužė 2010 20:54:17 Mike Bird wrote:
> Are you aware that KDE PIM developers noticed that the percentage of
> KMail users on KDE-PIM's own mailing list has dropped below 50%? Even
> KDE developers are fed up with KDE unreliability.
So what? People moved on. You can d
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 19:54, Mike Bird wrote:
> Are you aware that KDE PIM developers noticed that the percentage of
> KMail users on KDE-PIM's own mailing list has dropped below 50%? Even
> KDE developers are fed up with KDE unreliability.
If you check my user string, I am using Gmail's inter
On Thursday 06 May 2010 01:17:43 Jorge Gonçalves wrote:
> Hello!
>
> First, thank you for the great distro that is Debian, one of the best.
>
> I would like to suggest you some way so that the users keep on using
> the good old KDE 3.5 when they migrate to the upcoming Lenny.
>
> Maybe use dummy
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 18:24, Richard Hartmann
wrote:
> For reference, while typing this email, my total CPU load is ~12% on
> the KDE 3 box. On KDE 4, it would be around 20% -- I can get you
> better numbers at home.
great, now that I upgraded to 4.4.3, my base load is around 9%
I will continue
On 6 May 2010 20:54, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Thu May 6 2010 10:24:08 Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> > Even with perfect packaging KDE SC 4 is slow and unreliable,
>>
>> Slow? Can you elaborate? I can help with that.
>>
>> Unreliable? In what way?
>
> Are you aware that KDE PIM developers noticed that the per
On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 10:54:17AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
> I have great respect for Ana's work but even Ana is using Mutt.
>
This has nothing to do with KDE 4 or kdepim, I have been using mutt
for more than 6 years now...
Ana
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On 2010-05-06, Mike Bird wrote:
> Sune is not interested in working on KDE 3.5 but he's using slrn via
> gmane.
for maillists available via gmane, I really prefer that. I have been
using slrn for as much as possible even before kde 3.3 was uploaded to
debian.
I do use kmail for my my personal em
On Thu May 6 2010 10:24:03 Steven Crooks wrote:
> Please do yourself and us/others the favor and read the whole discussion so
> far and you will get a/your answer, why your prayers won't be heard.
Thank you for that excellent advice. I had of course read the whole
discussion before adding to it.
On Thu May 6 2010 10:24:08 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > Even with perfect packaging KDE SC 4 is slow and unreliable,
>
> Slow? Can you elaborate? I can help with that.
>
> Unreliable? In what way?
Are you aware that KDE PIM developers noticed that the percentage of
KMail users on KDE-PIM's own mailing l
On 2010-05-06, Cassiano Leal wrote:
> Speaking of which... Have you managed to compile TOra with oracle
> support using dpkg-buildpackage?
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-extras/2010-April/010913.html
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On 6 May 2010 14:06, deloptes wrote:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, KDE 4 seems to be much better for the average Joe. But that is
>> the reason that power users suffer at the moment! A.Joe already has
>> Gnome...
>>
>>
>
> Exactly! OK, I'll look forward to test this weekend.
> Main issue for m
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> You have demostrated nothing here =)
Very well.
Curt-
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On Thursday 06 May 2010 19:13:46 Mike Bird wrote:
> On Wed May 5 2010 23:17:43 Jorge Gonçalves wrote:
> > I would like to suggest you some way so that the users keep on using
> > the good old KDE 3.5 when they migrate to the upcoming Lenny.
>
> Debian KDE team,
>
> My users and I thank you from t
On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 01:26:34PM -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
> On Thursday 06 May 2010 it was so written:
> > On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 07:41:23AM -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
> > > On Thursday 06 May 2010, Ana Guerrero was heard to say:
> > > > On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 03:17:43AM -0300, Jorge Gonçalve
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On Thursday 06 May 2010 it was so written:
> On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 07:41:23AM -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
> > On Thursday 06 May 2010, Ana Guerrero was heard to say:
> > > On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 03:17:43AM -0300, Jorge Gonçalves wrote:
> > > > Maybe
> Even with perfect packaging KDE SC 4 is slow and unreliable,
Slow? Can you elaborate? I can help with that.
Unreliable? In what way?
> gimmick-rich but feature-poor.
What feature is missing for you? I can help with that.
> KDE SC 4 probably has no future and
> certainly has no place in Deb
On 2010-05-06, Mike Bird wrote:
> My users and I pray that you keep KDE 3.5 (or Trinity) in Squeeze.
Won't happen. sorry. I guess you will have as much success with this as
you did for fedora ...
I won't be blocking anyone trying to work on 3.5, but I do not plan to
spend a minute on it myself.
On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 04:39:02PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Donnerstag 06 Mai 2010 schrieb Sune Vuorela:
> > On 2010-05-06, Curt Howland wrote:
> > > On Thursday 06 May 2010, Ana Guerrero was heard to say:
> > >> On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 03:17:43AM -0300, Jorge Gonçalves wrote:
> > >>
On Wed May 5 2010 23:17:43 Jorge Gonçalves wrote:
> I would like to suggest you some way so that the users keep on using
> the good old KDE 3.5 when they migrate to the upcoming Lenny.
Debian KDE team,
My users and I thank you from the bottom of our hearts for
maintaining KDE 3.5 in Lenny.
My us
On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 07:41:23AM -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
> On Thursday 06 May 2010, Ana Guerrero was heard to say:
> > On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 03:17:43AM -0300, Jorge Gonçalves wrote:
> > > Maybe use dummy packages, or rename the packages so that KDE 3.5
> > > could remain installed, and not b
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 18:22, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Can you try with rekonq or even Firefox? Firefox is a real memory pig.
Iceweasel does not have these issues, but then I almost never use it
so the test pool is a _lot_ smaller.
Never tried rekonq, I can do so tonight.
> Try running "top > top.
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 18:18, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Maybe you were / are still using Qt3 applications? There is nothing
> wrong with that, but it will be memory-heavy.
No; definitely not.
> So we agree: the more software on the system, the faster it runs! I'm
> installing Gimp now...
_Or_ KDE
>> What browser?
>
> Konqui. Is there any other browser on earth? ;)
> And yes, this is true for both KHTML & Webkit.
>
Can you try with rekonq or even Firefox? Firefox is a real memory pig.
>> What does top show?
>
> Nothing I could see as the system is locked up during that time.
>
Try runnin
On 6 May 2010 19:09, Richard Hartmann wrote:
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 17:33, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>
>> Actually, I personally have not. However, this was actually the design
>> goal of Qt4 and many users have tested and reported lower memory usage
>> in KDE 4 compared to KDE 3. I don't know about C
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 18:14, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> It works!
I will give this way a try at home. Promise :)
Richard
PS: If I forget, please nag.
PPS: Thanks for caring about these issues so much.
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On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 18:08, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> What browser?
Konqui. Is there any other browser on earth? ;)
And yes, this is true for both KHTML & Webkit.
> Is it only on specific sites?
While some sites seem to trigger it more often, this happens with all
sites.
> Flash?
Not if I can
> I dare anyone to create a new application hotkey without using google ;)
> Why this feature can not be accessed from System Settings directly
> is beyond me. And I mean _creating_, not editing existing ones.
>
My system is in Hebrew, so this is translated:
System Settings -> Keyboard and Mouse
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 17:33, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Actually, I personally have not. However, this was actually the design
> goal of Qt4 and many users have tested and reported lower memory usage
> in KDE 4 compared to KDE 3. I don't know about CPU, though.
For KDE 2 -> 3, this was true. I had 12
> On a Phenom X2 with 4 GiB RAM and a pretty new GFX card whose name
> I don't remember, I get random hangs while doing nothing more than light
> surfing with some minimal background activity.
What browser? Is it only on specific sites? Flash? Heavy Javascript or
even Java? What does top show?
Ca
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 17:28, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> I'm having the feeling that many users which are unhappy with KDE 4.X are
>> just
>> a feature or two away of accepting it.
>>
>
> That sounds like a good assessment.
Agreed.
Richard
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On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 15:22, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> Other things that just don't seem inuitive *for me* that were in KDE
> 3.5.
I dare anyone to create a new application hotkey without using google ;)
Why this feature can not be accessed from System Settings directly
is beyond me. And I mean _c
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 14:59, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Please, let me know what KDE 4 is missing for you. KDE 4.4 has only a
> handful of regressions from KDE 3.5.10, and they are not dealbreakers.
> Some of those are addressed in KDE 4.5.
Not missing as such, but there is one thing which annoys me
>> KDE 4.4 is lighter than KDE 3.5 was, even with desktop effects
>> enabled. The only time you will see it appear that KDE 4 is "heavy" is
>> if you are loading the Qt3 libraries in addition to the Qt4 libraries,
>> for instance by using KDE3 applications. I understand that some people
>> still ne
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 13:12, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> The eye-candy in KDE 4 was just a consequence of using Qt4.
And of making Plasma core technology. Going so far that for several
minor releases, there was no sane way to display files on your
desktop. Granted, I don't use that anyway, this is jus
> I miss the media:/ kioslave. Does somebody know if it was gone because nobody
> ported it, or by design?
>
The bluetooth kioslave has a patch, but nobody has reviewed it:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193241
The Device Notifier plasmoid and Places menu take care of all other media.
> I
> Do you know when 4.5 will be out and stable? The guys from kde seem to drop
> really stable in their x.5 branches :-)
>
August, I think.
> I am also not planning moving to kde4 unless I'm sure it's working for me. I
> have a lot of custom software and I'm not sure it's working. I'll have to
> t
On 2010-05-06, Alejandro Exojo wrote:
> El Jueves, 6 de Mayo de 2010, Curt Howland escribió:
>> Thank you, I appreciate that. Really, I do. Unfortunately, my problems
>> with KDE4 are not bugs, they're systematic. I liked having my
>> removable devices show up as desktop icons, for instance, and t
>> If you could elaborate on that, I might be able to get some things
>> fixed. Do you simply "not like" or are you having problems?
>
> Thank you, I appreciate that. Really, I do. Unfortunately, my problems
> with KDE4 are not bugs, they're systematic.
That's fine, that's exactly what I'm interes
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