Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-31 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 10:50:47AM +0300, Jarno Elonen wrote: > The way I understand it, this is wrong: you can't simply add a new clause > like > that to GPL, as you couldn't then compile *your* software against *other* > GPL'd stuff. Sure you can, providing you don't introduce any new GPL-in

Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-31 Thread Jarno Elonen
Has anyone "VIP" of Debian written the openssl developers about the issue? I can't believe they would be *totally* unwilling to remove the advertising clause..? The OpenSSL FAQ states that: "If you develop open source software that uses OpenSSL, you may find it useful to choose an other licens

Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-30 Thread Chris Cheney
On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 04:02:09PM -0700, Daniel Schepler wrote: > Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Great! Once you finish the patch let me know and I will see about > > getting it incorporated upstream, unless you already know someone to > > send it to. > > That might take a while,

Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-30 Thread Hendrik Sattler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Mittwoch, 31. Juli 2002 01:08 schrieb Daniel Schepler: > Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Am Dienstag, 30. Juli 2002 02:24 schrieb Daniel Schepler: > > > Something has been bothering me about the KDE packages... The OpenSSL > > > lic

Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-30 Thread Chris Cheney
No it is the problem of OpenSSL license for being obnoxious ;) Chris

Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-30 Thread Daniel Schepler
Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Great! Once you finish the patch let me know and I will see about > getting it incorporated upstream, unless you already know someone to > send it to. That might take a while, since I know nothing about how to program for openssl or gnutls, or how the cu

Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-30 Thread Hendrik Sattler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Mittwoch, 31. Juli 2002 01:00 schrieb Chris Cheney: > On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 12:56:49AM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote: > > Am Dienstag, 30. Juli 2002 02:24 schrieb Daniel Schepler: > > > Something has been bothering me about the KDE packages... The

Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-30 Thread Daniel Schepler
Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Am Dienstag, 30. Juli 2002 02:24 schrieb Daniel Schepler: > > Something has been bothering me about the KDE packages... The OpenSSL > > license is incompatible with the GPL, but Konqueror et al use the > > Can you actually tell me, where it is incomp

Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-30 Thread Chris Cheney
On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 12:56:49AM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Am Dienstag, 30. Juli 2002 02:24 schrieb Daniel Schepler: > > Something has been bothering me about the KDE packages... The OpenSSL > > license is incompatible with the GPL, but

Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-30 Thread Hendrik Sattler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Dienstag, 30. Juli 2002 02:24 schrieb Daniel Schepler: > Something has been bothering me about the KDE packages... The OpenSSL > license is incompatible with the GPL, but Konqueror et al use the Can you actually tell me, where it is incompatible?

Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-30 Thread Chris Cheney
On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 03:36:33PM -0700, Daniel Schepler wrote: > Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Is gnutls lgpl yet? Otherwise, I am pretty certain KDE upstream will > > refuse a gnutls patch. If it is lgpl it shouldn't be too hard to > > convince them to take the patch. > > > >

Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-30 Thread Daniel Schepler
Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is gnutls lgpl yet? Otherwise, I am pretty certain KDE upstream will > refuse a gnutls patch. If it is lgpl it shouldn't be too hard to > convince them to take the patch. > > Chris According to the debian copyright file, the main gnutls library is LGPL,

Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-30 Thread Chris Cheney
On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 12:30:21AM +0200, Maximilian Reiss wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 31. Juli 2002 00:23 schrieb Chris Cheney: > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 02:38:42PM +0200, Maximilian Reiss wrote: > > > No gpl violation. KDE does _not_ link against libssl. > > > > > > Max > > > > Oh yes it does... H

Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-30 Thread Daniel Schepler
Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 02:38:42PM +0200, Maximilian Reiss wrote: > > No gpl violation. KDE does _not_ link against libssl. > > > > Max > > Oh yes it does... However, the parts of KDE that do link to libssl in > 3.x are now lgpl'd so the issue shou

Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-30 Thread Maximilian Reiss
Am Mittwoch, 31. Juli 2002 00:23 schrieb Chris Cheney: > On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 02:38:42PM +0200, Maximilian Reiss wrote: > > No gpl violation. KDE does _not_ link against libssl. > > > > Max > > Oh yes it does... However, the parts of KDE that do link to libssl in > 3.x are now lgpl'd so the

Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-30 Thread Chris Cheney
On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 03:26:56PM -0700, Daniel Schepler wrote: -snip- > reinstated by the authors of the code involved.) So I'd prefer to > approach them with something like "here's a patch which allows KDE to > use gnutls instead of libssl, which resolves license > incompatibilities." I'd susp

Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-30 Thread Daniel Schepler
Achim Bohnet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi Daniel, > > No https? No spop? No imaps? No sftp? NO. If really necessary, > ask upstream to resolve the conflict. Don't make Debian KDE not useable > before trying to find a real fix upstream. > > Please don't 'solve' the conflict on the should

Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-30 Thread Chris Cheney
On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 02:38:42PM +0200, Maximilian Reiss wrote: > No gpl violation. KDE does _not_ link against libssl. > > Max Oh yes it does... However, the parts of KDE that do link to libssl in 3.x are now lgpl'd so the issue should not matter (I think)? Chris

Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-30 Thread Daniel Schepler
Maximilian Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Am Dienstag, 30. Juli 2002 02:24 schrieb Daniel Schepler: > > Something has been bothering me about the KDE packages... The OpenSSL > > license is incompatible with the GPL, but Konqueror et al use the > > library. I just checked and, indeed, I foun

Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-30 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 02:38:42PM +0200, Maximilian Reiss wrote: > No gpl violation. KDE does _not_ link against libssl. kdebase-crypto depends on libssl because libkcm_crypto is linked against libssl. -- "You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever." -- To UNSUBSC

Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-30 Thread Maximilian Reiss
Am Dienstag, 30. Juli 2002 02:24 schrieb Daniel Schepler: > Something has been bothering me about the KDE packages... The OpenSSL > license is incompatible with the GPL, but Konqueror et al use the > library. I just checked and, indeed, I found that libssl.so.0.9.6 and > libqt-mt.so.3.0.4 are lin

Re: OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-30 Thread Achim Bohnet
On Tuesday 30 July 2002 02:24, Daniel Schepler wrote: > Something has been bothering me about the KDE packages... The OpenSSL > license is incompatible with the GPL, but Konqueror et al use the > library. I just checked and, indeed, I found that libssl.so.0.9.6 and > libqt-mt.so.3.0.4 are linked

OpenSSL license incompatibility

2002-07-29 Thread Daniel Schepler
Something has been bothering me about the KDE packages... The OpenSSL license is incompatible with the GPL, but Konqueror et al use the library. I just checked and, indeed, I found that libssl.so.0.9.6 and libqt-mt.so.3.0.4 are linked into the same address space (in the kio_http process forked of