On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 03:43:51PM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> On Thursday 17 January 2002 07:15, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > > Therefore, a system that uses an efficient unified filesystem
>
>
> > > implementation instead
On Thursday 17 January 2002 07:15, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > Therefore, a system that uses an efficient unified filesystem
> > implementation instead of a packaging system to keep track of file
^^
> export
> PATH=
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 12:45:36AM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> On Wednesday 16 January 2002 23:55, Daniel Stone wrote:
> >
> > Using that as the KDE root is just SILLY BAD WRONG EVIL.
> >
> > Do you also advocate having the apache root in /usr/lib/apache? After a
> > while it starts to defea
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Hi DanielS,
I wouldn't suggest those changes without thinking over how it would be done.
On Wednesday 16 January 2002 23:55, Daniel Stone wrote:
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> Using that as the KDE root is just SILLY BAD WRONG EVIL.
>
> Do you also advocate having the apache r
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 03:39:26PM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> On Wednesday 16 January 2002 14:09, Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote:
> > >
> > > You say that like it's a good thing. Mosfet's on drugs.
> >
> > It just happens that piece by Mosfet is well written.
> >
> > Although I cant see how pu
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 03:17:38PM +, James Thorniley wrote:
> On Wednesday 16 January 2002 4:44 am, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
> > [Eray Ozkural wrote:]
> > > that's why many RPM's have files in /opt.
> >
> > Ha! RPMs tend to spew files all over the place. Hardly relevant.
> >
> ...
> > > Howeve
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 04:55:17PM +0100, Hendrik Naumann wrote:
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> - From an sysadmin point of view it is realy nice to have MOST of the
> programms and the mayority of diskspace under /usr. I think many
> networks are planed that way. Shure one could just link /opt to
> /usr/opt and ever
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 08:55:02AM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote:
> the Dark Ages. When you ask people what the best thing about Debian is,
> they respond "policy" (in general; some say dpkg/apt). So what are we
> doing? Random crap, I hear you say?
Not to mention the fact that one of the major reaso
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 03:31:07PM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> On Wednesday 16 January 2002 13:29, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > > Note that *everybody* except debian uses /opt/kde3, and changing to that
> > > would be beneficial. The current layout has to be changed in any case, it
> > > is major
On Wednesday 16 January 2002 03:43 am, Daniel Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 01:35:33PM +0200, Jarno Elonen wrote:
> > On Wednesday 16. Januaryta 2002 13:27, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 08:55:16PM +, James Thorniley wrote:
> > > > I'm supported also by Mosfet, see
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, James Thorniley wrote:
> The fact of the matter is that SuSE and Redhat produce distributions where
> their installation of KDE is compatible with an installation from source of
> KDE from ftp.kde.org.
A default installation of Apache from source installs into /usr/local/etc.
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> It seems that your reasoning that "/opt is reserved for things like Loki
> games" is incorrect. See my mail titled "Interpeting FHS".
>
[...]
>
> That is a serious misunderstanding of "add-on". By add-on here it means
> application software that is
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On Tuesday 15 January 2002 23:52, Jens Benecke wrote:
> > Yes. But using subdirs is required when there are too many files rather
> > than the total size of files exceeding a threshold.
>
> Yes, and as soon as you define what "too many" is, those are i
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Hi
> > If KDE is packaged for Debian by Debian developers it is not an
> >addon and _does_not_ belong in /opt.
>
> That is a serious misunderstanding of "add-on". By add-on here it
> means application software that is not essential for system
> functi
On Wednesday 16 January 2002 12:09 pm, Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote:
> On Wednesday 16 January 2002 12:27, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 08:55:16PM +, James Thorniley wrote:
> > > I'm supported also by Mosfet, see www.mosfet.org/fss.html for an actual
> > > argument for why dir
On Wednesday 16 January 2002 4:44 am, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
> [Eray Ozkural wrote:]
> > that's why many RPM's have files in /opt.
>
> Ha! RPMs tend to spew files all over the place. Hardly relevant.
>
...
> > However, your quote does imply that redhat, suse, etc. packaging which
> > installs in
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Hi Jadhar,
It seems that your reasoning that "/opt is reserved for things like Loki
games" is incorrect. See my mail titled "Interpeting FHS".
I recommend you to re-read the relevant section of FHS without resorting to
certain preconceptions such a
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On Wednesday 16 January 2002 14:09, Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote:
> >
> > You say that like it's a good thing. Mosfet's on drugs.
>
> It just happens that piece by Mosfet is well written.
>
> Although I cant see how putting kde in /opt/kde would be more
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On Wednesday 16 January 2002 13:32, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > Type mismatch here. You were talking about /usr, not /usr/share. Please
> > ignore that earlier comment.
>
> Lucky, because my next reply was "Show me a serious bug on all KDE apps
> and I wil
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On Wednesday 16 January 2002 13:29, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > Note that *everybody* except debian uses /opt/kde3, and changing to that
> > would be beneficial. The current layout has to be changed in any case, it
> > is major brain damage.
>
> Changing t
On Wednesday 16 January 2002 12:27, Daniel Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 08:55:16PM +, James Thorniley wrote:
> > I'm supported also by Mosfet, see www.mosfet.org/fss.html for an actual
> > argument for why directory layout should be more logical.
>
> You say that like it's a good thin
> > > > I'm supported also by Mosfet, see www.mosfet.org/fss.html for an actual
> > > > argument for why directory layout should be more logical.
> > >
> > > You say that like it's a good thing. Mosfet's on drugs.
> >
> > No need to get personal, thank you. I personally like some of the guy's
> >
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 01:35:33PM +0200, Jarno Elonen wrote:
> On Wednesday 16. Januaryta 2002 13:27, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 08:55:16PM +, James Thorniley wrote:
> > > I'm supported also by Mosfet, see www.mosfet.org/fss.html for an actual
> > > argument for why direct
On Wednesday 16. Januaryta 2002 13:27, Daniel Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 08:55:16PM +, James Thorniley wrote:
> > I'm supported also by Mosfet, see www.mosfet.org/fss.html for an actual
> > argument for why directory layout should be more logical.
>
> You say that like it's a good t
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 08:04:30AM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 January 2002 22:59, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> >
> > So /usr/share/apps violates FHS policy? That does not seem to be the case
> > IIRC. Show me the policy in FHS and I will submit a serious bug to all KDE
> > pack
On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 11:22:13PM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> However, your quote does imply that redhat, suse, etc. packaging which
> installs in /opt/kde3 is indeed FHS compliant. I wonder who was clueless
> enough to think otherwise upon reading FHS. Daniel and Chris could you please
On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 08:55:16PM +, James Thorniley wrote:
> I'm supported also by Mosfet, see www.mosfet.org/fss.html for an actual
> argument for why directory layout should be more logical.
You say that like it's a good thing. Mosfet's on drugs.
--
Daniel Stone
On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 11:58:08AM -0800, Oliver Johns wrote:
> The Debian policy is violated, in principle anyhow,
> by the whole X-windows system. It DOES have its own special
> subdirectories. The reason is that it is so large and
> complicated that good sense demands putting it in a specia
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On Tuesday 15 January 2002 22:59, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
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> So /usr/share/apps violates FHS policy? That does not seem to be the case
> IIRC. Show me the policy in FHS and I will submit a serious bug to all KDE
> packages.
Type mismatch here. You
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On Tuesday 15 January 2002 23:05, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
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> Why would a package having its own special subdirectories violate Debian
> Policy? That is very common practice and it's a good thing for even small
> codes. What exactly do you mean? Show
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Hi David,
On Wednesday 16 January 2002 00:23, David Bishop wrote:
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> If you re-read what I said, I was complaining about how KDE uses that
> approach: everything in the same directory. IOW, I already understand how
> it works, and even partly why, b
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On Tuesday 15 January 2002 23:44, Jens Benecke wrote:
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> Yes, /opt can stay taboo. Right. What about additional subdirs in /usr?
>
> Actually, *my* problem with the current setup would be partly solved if
> mutually incompatible versions of KDE used s
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On Wednesday 16 January 2002 06:44, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
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> Read carefully what the FHS says. (You can find a copy in the
> debian-policy package.) According to section 3.8 /opt is for third-party
> addons. If KDE is packaged for Debian by Debian
On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
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> On Tuesday 15 January 2002 22:55, James Thorniley wrote:
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> > So I'm afraid it's wrong to say a move to /opt/kde violates debian policy,
> > since it's in accordance with FHS.
> >
> > I'm suppor
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Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2002 23:07 schrieb Jens Benecke:
> There is currently a large discussion (early developent phase) of how to
> introduce and "make useful" metadata (EAs, for OS/2 veterans) in Unix
> systems, on the ReiserFS mailinglist.
>
> Reis
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On Tuesday 15 January 2002 02:41 pm, James Thorniley wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 January 2002 8:06 pm, David Bishop wrote:
> > The only problem I have with the
> > packaging of kde is when I try to compile somet
On Tuesday 15 January 2002 8:06 pm, David Bishop wrote:
> The only problem I have with the
> packaging of kde is when I try to compile something like kpilot (to which I
> contribute very little) and install, I end up having to put stuff into
> /usr, just to get it to work (i've never successfully
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On Tuesday 15 January 2002 22:51, Oliver Johns wrote:
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> > On a more serious
> > note, that's what dpkg -S /usr/lib/foo.so is for: a quick way
> > to know what belongs to who.
>
> Yeah, and in windoze, all dlls are in \windows\system and
> everything
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On Tuesday 15 January 2002 22:55, James Thorniley wrote:
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> So I'm afraid it's wrong to say a move to /opt/kde violates debian policy,
> since it's in accordance with FHS.
>
> I'm supported also by Mosfet, see www.mosfet.org/fss.html for an actual
> a
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On Tuesday 15 January 2002 21:58, Oliver Johns wrote:
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> The Debian policy is violated, in principle anyhow,
> by the whole X-windows system.
How does X windows violate the debian policy? That doesn't seem to be the
case.
> It DOES have its own
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On Tuesday 15 January 2002 20:20, Jens Benecke wrote:
> The only argument from Debian people I've heard so far is that it is
> 'evil'.
>
> KDE is no longer 'too small for an extra directory', the packages eat much
^^
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On Tuesday 15 January 2002 21:07, Daniel Stone wrote:
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> And HEINOUSLY violates that little "policy" thing of ours that no-one
> cares about. You put your own stuff in /opt/kde[23], that's what it's
> for - your *own* stuff. For packagers, it's anothe
On Tuesday 15 January 2002 7:58 pm, Oliver Johns wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 January 2002 11:07 am, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 07:20:08PM +0100, Jens Benecke wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > actually, why doesn't Debian go the /opt/kde3 or /usr/kde3
> > > way, like other distributions?
On Tuesday 15 January 2002 12:06 pm, David Bishop wrote:
> Well, if it starts with a "K". ;-)
That's why I suggested that BOTH kde and gnome should be given
special directory treatment! Politics! :-)
> On a more serious
> note, that's what dpkg -S /usr/lib/foo.so is for: a quick way
> to kn
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On Tuesday 15 January 2002 12:58 pm, Oliver Johns wrote:
> > And HEINOUSLY violates that little "policy" thing of ours that
> > no-one cares about. You put your own stuff in /opt/kde[23],
> > that's what it's for - your *own* stuff. For packagers, it's
On Tuesday 15 January 2002 11:07 am, Daniel Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 07:20:08PM +0100, Jens Benecke wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 03:15:21PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > > Like I've told you before, KDE3 is not my department. The
> > > extent of my KDE3 influence is talking to
On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 07:20:08PM +0100, Jens Benecke wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 03:15:21PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote:
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> > Like I've told you before, KDE3 is not my department. The extent of my
> > KDE3 influence is talking to Chris on IRC; something I suggest you do if
> > you want to b
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On Tuesday 15 January 2002 06:15, Daniel Stone wrote:
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> Like I've told you before, KDE3 is not my department. The extent of my
> KDE3 influence is talking to Chris on IRC; something I suggest you do if
> you want to become involved in KDE3 packaging.
On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 05:09:18AM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> On Tuesday 15 January 2002 03:25, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 02:44:29AM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> > > Hi James,
> > >
> > > Your reasoning is right. KDE filesystem layout on debian sy
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Hi Daniel,
On Tuesday 15 January 2002 03:25, Daniel Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 02:44:29AM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> > Hi James,
> >
> > Your reasoning is right. KDE filesystem layout on debian systems is
> > terrible, and it is no
On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 02:44:29AM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> Hi James,
>
> Your reasoning is right. KDE filesystem layout on debian systems is terrible,
> and it is not what KDE was designed for. I'm going to have a look at all
> those issues when I'm done with my thesis (2 weeks from n
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Hi James,
Your reasoning is right. KDE filesystem layout on debian systems is terrible,
and it is not what KDE was designed for. I'm going to have a look at all
those issues when I'm done with my thesis (2 weeks from now) because it
drives me mad a
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Am Montag, 14. Januar 2002 14:02 schrieb James Thorniley:
> The reason for this seems to me to be that the automake/autoconf (sorry I
> can't remember which one it is ;) macro that finds the kde prefix has
> obviously quite rightly found /usr as the kd
Hi,
I've been programming software with KDevelop for a while now and recently
noticed my help system has stopped working - I think this is since KDE 2.2.2
(i.e. it used to work with KDE 2.2.1). I have always used the variable
$(kde_htmldir) in the makefiles to install the documentation in the r
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